Posted on 05/02/2024 5:20:28 AM PDT by thegagline
That is the most recent full text on the party’s immigration policy that I can find, it is from 2004.
They don’t elaborate anymore on some of their positions, for instance this is all they say about it on their platform.
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.
There is a reason that they took that part out. They no longer believe in it as a valid position.
As I mentioned in my previous post, there are hours of debates within the LP on this exact subject.
Here is one....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M23uW7G1OEE
And here is a little history on the Mises takeover of the Libertarian Party...
https://reason.com/2022/05/29/mises-caucus-takes-control-of-libertarian-party/
They didn’t take that part out, they just quit saying it out loud.
This is all the will say today and it doesn’t disagree with the long version they revealed in 2004.
2024
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.
Here is the 2008 version.
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a threat to security, health or property.
Besides, it isn’t just immigration, they are radical left on a number of issues destroying America, gay power, trans, drugs, they won’t take a party position against pedophilia.
Why bother voting for such destroying, anti-America positions that feed the left and in some cases are to the left of the left.
You cannot have small, limited government without social conservatism, social liberalism and big government and open borders all go hand in hand.
I suppose. But it’s a true statement.
Mind you, the modern Libertarian party is not libertarian.
The libertarian party has never changed.
It is common for its fans to think or at least say that it was or is different than when they were supporters, that it changed, or is changing, that whatever the unpleasantry being discussed is from a distant past, or is from a new change but it has always been the same.
*Gary Johnson who, despite his penchant for copious amounts of cannabis, was a better choice for president than Romney.*
Out of sight out of mind. He was ripe to climb the ladder to the senate as a young(48), successful ex-governor. He waited for the POTUS opening as if the senate wasn’t good enough, not even a 6 year term. Then ran as a Libertarian-waste of time.
Ok. You are right. They were brave ideological warriors in 2004 who said what they thought. But now in 2024 they are sneaky, power hungry leftists who are lying about what they believe in their quest for world domination.
Why would someone be a part of a fringe 3rd party and then lie about what they believed??? It makes sense why the Republicans and Democrats do it. It would make no sense for a party with no power to do it.
I just laid out exactly why they took it out of the platform. The people that now run the party don’t believe it. It’s as simple as that.
You can watch the video and read the article I linked and learn for yourself or you can keep making stuff up about things you don’t know anything about.
“”””Ok. You are right. They were brave ideological warriors in 2004 who said what they thought. But now in 2024 they are sneaky, power hungry leftists who are lying about what they believe in their quest for world domination.”””””
I don’t know where that nuttiness you just posted came from but it sure doesn’t involve me and my posts.
Their platform remains the same as it always has.
If you look, 2004 was the last time they printed a full text platform and they did it on all the issues, they aren’t lying, they are merely not saying it as clear as they did.
Look at post 23, their platform isn’t lying, it is saying what it did in post 16 of the long version, it is just less clear to you, but it isn’t a different position.
I voted for Browne and Badnarik (who was probably one of the most constitution oriented candidates for any party ever) then Ron Paul write ins.
It appeared to me that you were suggesting they are hiding something. Perhaps I read that wrong.
Why are you saying that 2004 was the last time they “printed a full text platform” and then immediately turn around and post text from their current platform?
Are you playing some type of semantics game?
Despite what you just said, the two texts are significantly different. Nobody in their right mind could read the text from 2004 and 2024 and think they were the same sentiment.
The 2004 text talks about “refugees” and references “assisting them” and talks about their “economic prospects”. More importantly it specifically mentions “IMMIGRATION”. That implies LIVING HERE PERMANENTLY. The new text mentions none of that and only references “crossing” a border or a boundary. It does not speak at all to what happens after the border is crossed.
Why do you think the language in the new version is different from the language in 2004?
Either they changed their platform or they are trying to hide what they believe. You have already said that you don’t think they changed their platform. Why did they change the language?
They are hiding something, the libertarians always do, but the 2004 position and the 2024 position on immigration are the same, the current platform just keeps it short and more vague to a casual reader.
2004 was the last time they put out a full text platform because it spelled things out in too much detail and people recoil, you can see it when right leaning libertarians read post 16, the short version doesn’t disagree or change anything from the long version, it just doesn’t spell it out in such detail.
ECONOMIC FREEDOM DEMANDS THE UNRESTRICTED MOVEMENT OF HUMANS ACROSS NATIONAL BORDERS.
“Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.”
Trump supporting spying on Americans (like was done with him) without a warrant is not even .01% a liberty-based position. This was unforgiveable.
Got it. They are hiding something.
So, what I said in post 28 was exactly right.
These people have such non-typical views that they joined a fringe 3rd party. They were brave enough to state their views in 2004 in hopes to change people’s minds. Now in 2024, immediately after a take over by an avowedly closed border faction (Mises Caucus), they actually still believe what they believed in 2004 but are hiding it because....reasons?
That makes perfect sense.
In full disclosure, I consider myself a Nationalist Libertarian. Traditional libertarianism’s fatal flaw is that it does not recognize the fundamental influence of nationalism and in-group preferences in human action. If you fail take this fact into account, you will be crushed underneath it (as is happening to us). This flaw is not unique to the Libertarian Party. Both major parties have the same flaw. They just have even more fatal flaws.
I believe in a strong cohesive nation, within strong borders, governed internally by libertarian policies and treating other nations with libertarian values.
I am expressing no opinion as to the Libertarian party.
I am talking about libertarian (aka “classic liberal”) ideals of small government, personal responsibility, minimal government, and maximum individual family and religious liberty.
This is your change, this is a “closed border”?
ECONOMIC FREEDOM DEMANDS THE UNRESTRICTED MOVEMENT OF HUMANS ACROSS NATIONAL BORDERS.
“Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.”
Cherry picking is what libertarians do, they shape the party to fit whatever audience they are talking to and if the party is a problem then they say it doesn’t represent them and they describe their personal preferences for every issue and say that is what libertarianism is.
By simply saying our own personal fantasies every person on earth can say that his version of libertarianism is the correct one.
Every conservative, every liberal, every left winger, every right winger, every atheist, every born again Christian, every fentanyl addicted married trans, every teetotaler can say that they are libertarian, but that they don’t agree with the entire libertarian agenda, or the entire Party agenda.
No.
Libertarians need to pick a side. There is no longer any middle ground as it applies to preserving our Constitutional Republic and LIBERTY.
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