Posted on 12/19/2013 2:59:12 PM PST by lbryce
The original comment to which I responded: “But when Old Mo and the boys went traveling it wasn’t to savor the local culture. They went to rob, rape and kill.”
My sole point is that Mo never launched an attack into another culture area. So he never did any robbing, raping or killing outside his own neighborhood.
There is little doubt he would have, but he kicked the bucket before getting the chance.
The early Muslims actually operated on a somewhat higher standard for laws of war than usual for their time, at least if they followed their own rules. I’m no fan of Islam, but the 7th century Magyars, Vikings and Germans were no picnic either. FTM the “civilized” Persians and Byzantines succeeded in devastating the Middle East and each other so completely that Persia fell completely into Muslim hands, and the Eastern Romans lost about half their empire.
Using the term "neighborhood" [sic] in any way, shape, matter or form to describe events, circumstances of ancient history belies a certain capacity to speak of it at all with any certitude, authority.
I, frankly, have never heard of the term "neighborhood" [sic] used in the historical perspective that you have chosen to employ.
I really don't know where to begin regarding the wholly incendiary comments you've made in the whitewashing of Mohammad.
Your words, comments are as inciting as anything a troll would use to attain the incendiary effect you seem to attempt to accomplish.
It is reminiscent of the way Joseph Stalin was made into an affectionate, endearing character known to us all during World War II as Uncle Joe.
Stalin, Uncle Joe? The brutal, genocidal butcher who killed more people than Hitler? How did Stalin manage to escape the egregious umbrage of history, someone who had killed more people than anyone else in history and be seen as a relatively benign character compared to that of Hitler?
1.First of all being Communist, liberal, left-wing made it much easier for him to be viewed in the US in the palatable perspective that belied his genocidal, murderous deeds
2. He was an ally of the US fighting on the same side as indispensable component for victory in Europe working together to defeat what was considered a far greater enemy of humanity that was Nazi Germany.
3.Third of which is the most fundamental of reasons for which Stalin was given a pass, so to speak, not vilified as the genocidal murderer he was, having killed approximately 60 million people. Stalin was not seen as the egregiously blood-thirsty, genocidal tyrant he was,to use the parlance you seem most comfortable with, because he only killed people in his own "neighborhood". [sic]
Stalin, up to the days prior to World War II was not demonstrably imperialist, having killed only those that were part of the USSR at the time, in other words, killing only his own people, only those in his "neighborhood" [sic]. As such, being considered as an internal, domestic affair, Stalin was able to defray any worldwide opprobrium regarding the mass murder he facilitated as that of being an internal matter.
Hitler, on the other hand, having mostly killed people in countries he conquered in his imperialistic grab for land and expansion of Germany's need for Lebensraum as detailed in Mein Kampf, is seen as being far worse in killing those within countries not in his "neighborhood" [sic]
Your statement, whitewashing Muhammad, ameliorating the horrific crimes against humanity, acts and deeds duly recorded in Muhammad's very own "Book of Record", The Quran: Manifesto of One Man's Descent Into Misanthropy, Misogyny, of Crimes Against Humanity, Murder, Rape, Pillage, Torture, Slavery, Genocide,Etc. the abbreviated litany of crimes listed below, as that of merely only being part of his neighborhood [sic] is an outright malicious qualification, a distinction without any difference, the corruption of history by the egregious Islamic apologist that you are, the point of which is not to elucidate but to inflame, incite in troll-like incendiary fashion as any inflammatory statement could ever be.
I intend to make this thread public by posting it in Blogs/Chit Chat, in seeking the consensus of my fellow FReepers regarding your comments, but will not mention your name, will maintain your anonymity out of courtesy to you. If you feel so strongly about what you've said, I fully expect you to appear at the post, attempt to explain what your comments, have you defend the indefensible, will mail you when the thread has been posted and to look forward to your participation in the discussion.
CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD
Molested his wife - six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and thigh with Baby Aisha taking his penis and rubbing it up and down her thighs until he ejaculated. Being a man of mercy he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.
Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine. Advocated sex with baby girls.
Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.
Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.
Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?
Approved the murder of children.
Ordered the murder of elderly people. One such old woman - Umm Qirfa - was tied between 2 camels and torn to pieces, Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at the massacre of Banu Qurayza. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair. Baby Aisha sat beside Muhammad watching the beheadings.
Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile). Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.
Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.
Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children. Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.
Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.
No befriending Christians and Jews.
Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.
Married his daughter – in – law.
Approved prostitution.
Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands. Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha. Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror. Advocated suicide attacks.
Executed apostates and homosexuals.
Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.
Honor killings of Muslim women and children.
Beat alcoholics. Lied.
Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.
Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.
Tortured a man out of greed.
Looted and plundered.
Preached hate for people of other religions.
Extorted money from other religions
Forced conversions to Islam.
Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.
I find your comments, the distinction you've made about Muhammad, patently beyond the point, disingenuous, absurd, and for the most part meaningless. Compare the crimes of Muhammad, his behavior towards his enemies, to that of the The Life of Muhammad
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/history.htm
The Qurayza Massacre
By the time the Banu Qurayza met their fate, Muhammad was wealthy and powerful from his defeat of the other two tribes.
The Jews of the Banu Qurayza tasted Muhammad's wrath after their leader half-heartedly sided with the Meccan army during a siege of Medina (the Battle of the Trench). By then, Muhammad had evicted the other Jews and declared that all land at Medina belonged to him, so the original constitution of the town was no longer in effect. It is important to note that the Qurayza did not attack the Muslims, even after switching loyalties (contrary to another popular myth).
Although the Qurayza surrendered peacefully to the Muslims, Muhammad determined to have every man of the tribe executed, along with every boy that had reached the initial stages of puberty (between the ages of 12 and 14). He ordered a ditch dug outside of the town and had the victims brought to him in several groups. Each person would be forced to kneel, and their head would be cut off and then dumped along with the body into the trench.
Between 700 and 900 men and boys were slaughtered by the Muslims after their surrender.
The surviving children of the men became slaves of the Muslims, and their widows became sex slaves. This included the Jewish girl, Rayhana, who became one of Muhammad's personal concubines the very night that her husband was killed. The prophet of Islam apparently "enjoyed her pleasures" (ie. raped her) even as the very execution of her people was taking place.
In some ways, women were much like any other possession taken in battle, to be done with however their captors pleased. But Muslims found them useful in other ways as well. In fact, one of the methods by which Islam owed its expansion down through the centuries was through the reproductive capabilities of captured women. In addition to four wives, a man was allowed an unlimited number of sex slaves, with the only rule being that any resulting children would automatically be Muslim.
Muhammad ordered that a fifth of the women taken captive be reserved for him. Many were absorbed into his personal stable of sex slaves that he maintained in addition to his eleven wives. Others were doled out like party favors to others. (See MYTH: Muhammad was an Abolitionist)
At one point following a battle, Muhammad provided instructions on how women should be raped after capture, telling his men not to worry about coitus interruptus, since "Allah has written whom he is going to create." (See also MYTH: Muhammad Never Approved of Rape)
Following the battle against the Hunain, late in his life, Muhammad's men were reluctant to rape the captured women in front of their husbands (who were apparently still alive to witness the abomination), but Allah came to the rescue with a handy "revelation" that allowed the debauchery. (This is the origin of Sura 4:24 according to Abu Dawud 2150).
The Origin of Islamic Imperialism
From Medina, Muhammad waged a campaign of terror, to which he openly attributed his success (Bukhari 52:220). His gang of robbers launched raids in which hapless communities were savaged, looted, murdered and raped. The tribes around the Muslims began to convert to Islam out of self-preservation.
The excuse for military campaign began to shrink to the point that it hardly existed at all. Muhammad told his followers that Muslims were meant to rule over other people. Supremacist teachings became the driving force behind Jihad (see also MYTH: Muhammad Waged War Only in Self-Defense) and Jihad became the driving force behind Islam.
The brutal conquest of the people of Khaybar, a peaceful farming community that was not at war with the Muslims, is a striking example. Muhammad marched in secret, took them by surprise and easily defeated them. He had many of the men killed, simply for defending their town. He enslaved women and children and had surviving men live on the land as virtual serfs, paying Muslims an ongoing share of their crops not to attack them again.
Muhammad suspected that the town's treasurer was holding out and had his men barbarically torture the poor fellow by building a fire on his chest until he revealed the location of hidden treasure. (See also MYTH: Muhammad Never Approved Torture).
Afterwards, the prophet of Islam beheaded the man and "married" his widow on the same day (she first had to pass through the hands of one of his lieutenants). Given that the woman's father was also killed by Muhammad, it isn't much of a stretch to say that true love had very little to do with this "marriage."
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE PROPHET MUHAMMAD: A MONSTER OF HISTORY http://www.islamreform.net/new-page-183.htm FIRST MUSLIM SAVAGE FIRST MUSLIM TERRORIST THE CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD PROPHET MUHAMMAD WAS A TRUE PROPHET OF EXTERMINATION, MURDER, SLAUGHTER, RAPE, TERROR, TORTURE, HATE AND SLAVERY. A MONSTER OF HISTORY. THESE ARE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. THESE ARE CRIMES AGAINST GOD. IF GOD PICKED SUCH A PROPHET TO REPRESENT HIM ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE AND GAVE DIVINE SANCTION AND SUPPORT/ENCOURAGEMENT TO HIS PROPHET’S CRIMINAL ACTS THEN GOD WOULD NO LONGER BE MORAL PERFECTION AND THEREFORE NO LONGER GOD BUT JUST AN ACCOMPLICE TO HIS EVIL PROPHET. GOD WOULD BE EQUALLY GUILITY IN ALL THE CRIMINAL ACTS PERPETRATED BY MUHAMMAD. GOD WOULD BE JUST A WANTON CRIMINAL A MONSTER OF THE UNIVERSE.
Jesus Christ was a true Prophet of peace and love, goodness and mercy. Prophet Muhammad was a true prophet of extermination, murder, slaughter, rape, terror, torture, hate, slavery, child molestation. These are crimes against humanity. These are crimes against God. (For a comparison between Jesus and Muhammad go to: http://www.islamreform.net/new-page-93.htm )
The Quran is a unique book and cannot be compared to the Old Testament or Torah. There is no moral equivalence between Christians/Jews and Muslims. Christians/Jews worship God – Muslims worship the AntiGod Allah – a fictitious creation of Muhammad. It is a central tenet of Islam that Muhammad met Angel Gabriel and received from God through Gabriel the Quranic verses. We will prove that Muhammad never met Angel Gabriel, never talked to Gabriel, and never received any teachings from either Gabriel or God.
Muhammad made up the Allah of the Quran (the AntiGod) and all the Quranic teachings to create a perfect totalitarian system. How could the word of God be challenged? Muhammad was Allah and Allah was Muhammad. Crimes committed by Christians in the name of God such as slavery were crimes against God - whereas in Islam the crimes committed by prophet Muhammad and his followers are the divine, holy acts of AntiGod Allah – the eternal laws of the AntiGod, deserving of Paradise. Again, the Quran is the teachings of Muhammad and must be compared to the teachings of Jesus.
The greatest crime against God is any act of violence: suicide bombings, extermination, and murder, war, terror, torture and brutality against humans in the name of and to the greater glory of God. The second greatest crime is any act of violence against humans including the crimes of rape and slavery. The greatest gift Homo sapiens received from God is his brain that directs the hands to create. The human body is a miracle – a holy vessel from God. To take this supreme creation, and with the brain directing the hands build vests filled with bombs and strap them to the body and then blow up this miracle or take a weapon and kill in the name of and to the greater glory of God is such an abomination against God as to be unprintable. No words can describe such hideous evil.
Throughout history, God has never committed a criminal act. Not one. We hold the following truth to be self evident – ONLY A GOD OF MORAL PERFECTION IS GOD. As we stated, if God committed just one criminal act, killed or ordered the killing of just one human being or any other creature in the entire universe then God would no longer be Moral Perfection and therefore no longer God. If Jesus had committed any of these crimes listed below He would no longer be the Son of God. Just as Adolf Hitler and Comrade Stalin were not prophets of God so to Muhammad was no prophet of God.
Following is the critical reality of Muhammad. By understanding why Muhammad could never have been a prophet of God and you understand why Islam is such a violent, hateful ideology. The personality of Muhammad is the personality of Allah and the Quranic teachings are the end result. There are many men who have lived horrid lives. They have raped, murdered, and burned cities to the ground. Horrible acts. Then one day, they come into the light of God and totally change. Begging forgiveness, they spend the rest of their lives atoning for their great crimes as holy men of God. In the case of Muhammad, we have a criminal who created the AntiGod Allah to sanction his criminality: A child molester. Wife abuser. Rapist. Murderer. Torturer. Terrorist just a small sample of the criminality of Muhammad listed below. If God picked such a prophet to represent him anywhere in the universe and gave divine sanction and support/encouragement to His prophet’s criminal acts then God would no longer be Moral Perfection and therefore no longer God but just an accomplice to his evil prophet. God would be equally guilty in all the criminal acts perpetrated by Muhammad. God would be just a wanton criminal.
THE CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD
Molested his wife - six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and thigh with Baby Aisha taking his penis and rubbing it up and down her thighs until he ejaculated. Being a man of mercy he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine. Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine. Advocated sex with baby girls.
Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.
Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.
Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?
Approved the murder of children.
Ordered the murder of elderly people. One such old woman - Umm Qirfa - was tied between 2 camels and torn to pieces,
Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at the massacre of Banu Qurayza. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair. Baby Aisha sat beside Muhammad watching the beheadings.
Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).
Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer. Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.
Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.
Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.
Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.
No befriending Christians and Jews.
Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.
Married his daughter – in – law.
Approved prostitution.
Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.
Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.
Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.
Advocated suicide attacks.
Executed apostates and homosexuals.
Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.
Honor killings of Muslim women and children.
Beat alcoholics. Lied.
Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.
Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.
Tortured a man out of greed.
Looted and plundered.
Preached hate for people of other religions.
Extorted money from other religions
. Forced conversions to Islam
Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.
PROPHET MUHAMMAD: FIRST MUSLIM SAVAGE
MUHAMMAD: MOST MERIFUL MAN OF MERCY EVER BORN HAD FOLLOWERS AND THEIR FAMILIES BURNT ALIVE IN THEIR HOMES FOR MISSING PRAYERS
What you will be reading next is the sheer horror that is Islam. These teachings from Quran and Hadith are completely unique. You will not find anything like them in Old/New Testament or the Torah. Again -the Quran is the word/teachings of Allah (AntiGod of the Muslims - fictional creation of Muhammad) instructing us to commit horrendous criminal acts and in return for blind obedience, we will be guaranteed accession to a virgin delight Paradise. The Hadith is the teachings of Muhammad setting a timeless, divine example of how to live our lives in accordance with the AntiGod’s Quranic teachings. There are no laws of God in the Old/New Testaments/Torah instructing Jews/Christians to commit crimes. NOT ONE.
Go through the Appendix teachings at http://www.islamreform.net/ containing other teachings of divine wisdom. Don’t kid yourself. These teachings may be laughable but Islam is no laughing matter. These are the words that are destroying our country and way of life. This is a life and death situation. Failure to understand Islam and act against this very great evil will destroy civilization, as we know it. A New Dark Age will descend over humanity. This time the darkness will be eternal.
Burnt Alive For Missing Prayers Muhammad was so merciful that he instructed his followers to burn people alive who missed prayers according to Sahih Bukhari hadith.
Bukhari:V1B11N626 "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."
Pregnant Woman Brutality Stoned To Death After Birth of Child
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” John 8:7
Muslim (17:4206) - A woman who became pregnant confesses to Muhammad that she is guilty of adultery. Muhammad allows her to have the child, then has her stoned (the description is graphic). For complete Hadith go to http://www.islamreform.net/new-page-26.htm and read from Muslim (17:4206)
“….She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he (baby) as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.”
Can you imagine stoning a woman to death after giving birth to a baby? Bringing the baby to the stoning, giving the child to the prophet, then being buried up to her breasts and stoned to death. Picture in your mind’s eye, the dug out hole with the earth piled to one side. The boulders neatly assembled beside the hole. The woman is taken into the hole and the loose earth is thrown back until she is buried up to her breasts. Can you imagine the sheer horror of this poor mother, hearing her baby crying as she is being sent to her death? Can you imagine burying a woman up to her breasts and then hurling boulders at her head? Do you not see the blood gushing from her head like a blood fountain and running down the side of her head, matting her hair? Quoting “Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her.” Do you not hear the yelling and screaming of this poor woman begging for mercy, the blood gurgling in her mouth?
How could any moral person brutality murder a mother and deny the baby his mother to raise and care for the child? This poor woman begged for her life. She begged and she begged and she begged. Quoting Muhammad: “she has made such repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven.” But Muhammad – the prophet of mercy, the protype of all humanity would not let the mere wailing of a woman and her crying baby move him for he was obeying Quranic verse 24.2 “…Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day..” Muhammad was the first, last and only prophet of the AntiGod Allah. He was a true prophet with a heartless heart and soul as cold and lifeless as the bloody boulders that would soon be the executioners of the Antigod’s will. Being most merciful Muhammad commands Khalid b Walid “Khaild be gentle.” The boulders are now smashing gently into her defenseless head and face. Blood is pouring out from her hideous head and face wounds. The ground is soaked in blood – the boulders caked in blood. As her brain is smashed to bits, she will experience horrendous pain and suffering and mercifully go into a coma. Then her life breath will be finally extinguished and she will slump over a bloody pulverized mess of torn flesh. What was once a beautiful young mother will now be a piece of mauled bloody garbage.
Even though Muhammad stated that he would have forgiven a wrongful tax-collector so great was her repentance he did not stop the stoning. Instead, Muhammad murders her and then he mercifully prays over her torn bloody body. What hypocrisy. You tell me what kind of heartless beast could do such an immoral act of depravity? Muhammad was this heartless monster. He had the power of life and death over his subjects. He was the final arbiter of life or death. Muhammad was God. (There is a clandestine film that was taken during the Nazi occupation of Byelorussia showing SS locking families inside a barn and setting it on fire. The film shows an SS soldier dragging a young woman with her baby in her arms from the farmhouse. The SS takes the baby from its mother and smashes the poor child - head first into the ground. You tell me the difference between this SS killer and the prophet of God – Muhammad? )
Wait a moment. How unfair of me. Oh Allah please forgive me for maligning your great prophet by comparing him to the SS baby killer. Of course there is a difference between this SS killer and Muhammad.
Muhammad never buried the baby in the hole and stoned the child to death for being born the product of an adulterous relationship. Oh no - being a man of mercy, the protype of all mankind, the divine example for all Muslim men to emulate for all time, he murdered the mother in cold blood.
To truly understand the danger of Islam to our society and way of life read Brutal Stoning Hadiths http://www.islamreform.net/new-page-26.htm
Men Horribly Tortured by Prophet Muhammad
BukhariV882N795; Narrated Anas:”The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.”
Muhammad Orders An Alcoholic Beaten
Book 38, Number 4474: Narrated AbdurRahman ibn Azhar: “I saw the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) …. a man who had drunk wine was brought (before him) and he ordered them (to beat him). So they beat him with what they had in their hands. Some struck him with whips, some with sticks and some with sandals. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) threw some dust on his face.”
Muhammad Beats His Sex Slave Girl
Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4458: Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: “A slave-girl belonging to the house of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) committed fornication. He (the Prophet) said: Rush up, Ali, and inflict the prescribed punishment on her. I then hurried up, and saw that blood was flowing from her, and did not stop. So I came to him and he said: Have you finished inflicting (punishment on her)? I said: I went to her while her blood was flowing. He said: Leave her alone till her bleeding stops; then inflict the prescribed punishment on her. And inflict the prescribed punishment on those whom your right hands possess (i.e. slaves)”.
Poet Ordered Murdered By Muhammad To Shut Her Up
Ishaq: 676 "'You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?' Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, 'Will no one rid me of this woman?' Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet's wishes. That very night he crept into the writer's home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, 'You have helped Allah and His Apostle.' Umayr said. 'She had five sons; should I feel guilty?' 'No,' the Prophet answered. 'Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'"
These are just a small sample from the thousands of Hadith of Muhammad inflicting heinous punishment. Ask yourself how any prophet of God could commit such evil acts? Again, if God had selected such a criminal to be His criminal prophet then God would be a criminal God but since God cannot be a criminal and be Moral Perfection – a criminal God cannot exist. Muhammad was no prophet. Can you imagine burning families alive? Can you imagine stoning a mother leaving a poor baby child motherless? Read next the Massacre of Banu Qurayza where Muhammad ordered 600 to 900 Jewish men beheaded and the pants of young Jewish boys pulled down and those poor boys with the slightest trace of pubic hair were dragged away and beheaded. Can you imagine the sheer terror of 13/14-year-old Jewish boys having their pants pulled down and groin inspected for pubic hairs and then their heads chopped off at the slightest trace? You tell me what is the difference between prophet Muhammad and Fuhrer Adolf Hitler? There is none. Where is humanities outrage? For more Hadiths displaying the pure mercy of Muhammad go tohttp://www.islamreform.net/new-page-8.htm
The First Final Solution of Jewish Question of Muhammad and the Quran
MEIN KAMPF VERSUS THE KORAN
Before there was Hitler and his Mein Kampf, the SS, concentration camps and final solution of the Jewish question—there was Muhammad, the Koran, the SS Jihadists and the first final solution, the mass-murder and forced exile of the Jews/Christians from Arabia.
“the Apostle of Allah said, 'Kill any Jew that falls into your power.” [Ibn Ishaq, Siratul Rasul, v. 553]
HITLER AND THE FINAL SOLUTION OF THE JEWISH QUESTION
In any process of extermination and mass-murder of a people, the first step is to blame them for all of the societies ills; demonize the targeted victims as dangerous, then as the enemy; then dehumanize and reduce them to the status of subhuman, evil creatures that must be destroyed. Once human beings are robbed of their humanity, the intended mass-murder follows as the final solution.
Following are just a small sample of Hitler’s views demonizing the Jews and laying the intellectual foundation for their extermination.
HITLER’S HATRED OF THE JEWS
"The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews. All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States. Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy. [Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p234]
"The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision." [Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p220]
“If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it [Judaism] is in his soul. Even if there had never been a synagogue or a Jewish school or an Old Testament, the Jewish spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Jew, not a single one, who does not personify it." [Robert Wistrich, Hitler's Apocalypse, p122; from a conversation with Croatian Foreign Minister General Kvaternik, July 21, 1941]
"The internal expurgation of the Jewish spirit is not possible in any platonic way. For the Jewish spirit as the product of the Jewish person. Unless we expel the Jewish people. Unless we expel the Jewish people soon, they will have judaized our people within a very short time." [Jackel, Hitler's Worldview, p52; from a speech at Nuremberg, January 13, 1923]
“The Jew has always been a people with definite racial characteristics and never a religion.” [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf]
“If we consider how greatly he has sinned against the masses in the course of the centuries, how he has squeezed and sucked the blood again and again; if furthermore, we consider how the people gradually learned to hate him for this, and ended up by regarding his existence as nothing but punishment of Heaven for the other peoples, we can understand how hard this shift must be for the Jew.” [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf]
“But even more: all at once the Jew also becomes liberal and begins to rave about the necessary progress of mankind.” [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf]
‘The Jew almost never marries a Christian woman; it is the Christian who marries a Jewess.” [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf]
“ the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.’ [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf]
“With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.” [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf]
“And so he [the Jew] advances on his fatal road until another force comes forth to oppose him, and in a mighty struggle hurls the heaven-stormer back to Lucifer.” [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf]
Hitler’s final solution was the concentration camps and the industrialization of mass murder.
MUHAMMAD AND THE FIRST FINAL SOLUTION OF THE JEWISH QUESTION OF ARABIA
Unlike Hitler who had a very deep hatred of Jews, Muhammad spent the early part of his prophetic mission (13 years) trying to convince the Jews and Christians that he was the final prophet of Allah and that his Allah was the one and same God that the Jews and Christians worshipped. The Jews and Christians thought he was a false prophet and rejected his prophetic claim.
Having been largely unsuccessful in his mission to preach his new creed in his birth-city of Mecca, Muhammad relocated to Medina. It was there that Muhammad reinvented a new violent Allah—a god of mass-murder, extermination, terror, torture, looting. In the new reformed Islam, deceit, torture, murder, assassination, massacre, genocide, pillage, robbery, enslavement and rape became halal (legal) acts, deserving of paradise, as long as they were perpetrated on infidels. To already permitted polygamy, the new Allah added temporary marriages (muta), pedophilia, marriage with adopted son's wives, wife beating, and sex with slave girls.
In Medina, the teachings of the Koran exploded into hatred and rage against the Polytheists, Jews, Christians and all other infidels. The hatred of Muhammad and his Allah was directed specifically against the peoples of the book, namely the Jews and Christians, who had dared to reject the prophethood of Muhammad. With the Polytheist of Medina soon joined his creed, the Jews and Christians remained the only challenge to the authority of Muhammad and the legitimacy of Islam. Due to the danger posed by the peoples of the book, the Jews and Christians, their destruction became an imperative. As the First Final Solution of the Jews—a dominant and wealthy community of Medina—their murder and mass exile from Arabia, the looting of their rich towns, the rape and enslavement of their women by Muhammad and his Allah were set in motion.
Anti-Jewish Hate Teachings in the Koran
The Koran, like Hitler's Mein Kampf, provided the intellectual and moral ground for Muhammad in his campaign of Final Solution of the Jewish question.
One must make a distinction here that Mein Kampf is the views of Hitler, while Muslims believe the Koran to be the ETERNAL divine words of God, the LAWS OF GOD, and that a copy of the Koran is in heaven. The Koran remains for all Muslims, not just fundamentalists, the uncreated word of God Himself, whose commands and constraints are valid and binding on them for all times and places. Its ideas are absolutely true and beyond all criticism. To question it is to question the very word of God, and hence blasphemous. A Muslim's duty is to believe and obey the its divine commands without question.
Here are a sample of Allah's teachings and commands regarding the Jews:
2.61 Wretchedness and baseness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with wrath from Allah.
2:96 Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell.
4:160-1 For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom.
4.16 And for the evildoing of the Jews, we have forbidden them from some good things that were previously permitted them.
5.82 Indeed you will surely find that the most vehement of men in enmity to those who believe are the Jews and the polytheists.
5.60 God has cursed the Jews, transforming them into apes and swine and those who serve the devil.
9.29 Fight against such of those have been given the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, as believe not in Allah nor the last Day.
9.34 Many of the rabbis and the monks devour the wealth of mankind and wantonly debar men from the way of Allah.
62.5 A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly.
The Koranic teachings of Allah in above verses are no less vile and horrifying than those of Hitler in Mein Kampf. The Koran completely robs the humanity of the Jews and transforms them into a subhuman species—swine, apes, devil. Jews are the lowest of the low. Once deprived of their humanity, they can be killed with impunity just as apes and swine can be killed; just as the devil should be annihilated at all cost. And like Hitler, Muhammad, stepping upon the Koranic groundwork of Allah, embarked on the annihilation of the devilish Jews, the 7th-century Final Solution of the Jewish question in Arabia.
MUHAMMAD’S HATRED AGAINST THE JEWS FROM THE HADITHS
Kill All the Jews: The First Final Solution
Book 019, Number 4366: It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.” [This single sahi hadiths tells everything about Islamic intolerance]
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288 The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders one of them was to Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula.
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
It is irrational that God would send another prophet 600 years after Christ, whose teachings was embraced by the peoples of the Roman Empire, the Middle East, Egypt, North Africa and was spreading fast. Naturally, the Christians rejected Muhammad claim of prophecy. The Jews, who did not accept Jesus, who was one of their own, for so many centuries did not find any reason either to believe in Muhammad's claim of prophethood.
Having failed to convince them of his prophetic mission and to bring them under his religious and political leadership, Muhammad turned to the option of their extermination and set it in motion by raising a ruthless army to terrorize, conquer and make slaughter in the land.
As part of his final solution, Muhammad conquered the Jewish settlement of Banu Qurayzah and ordered that all Jewish men be beheaded and their women enslaved and sold into slavery. Between 600 to 900 Jewish men were murdered.
Muhammad himself worked on digging a trench in the center of the town into which the massacred Jews were to be thrown. But he did not only take part in those preparations, Muhammad personally struck off heads of at least two tribal leaders.
How Did the SS Jihadist Executioners Decide on Which Jewish Boys to Slaughter Or Leave Alive to Be Sold into Slavery?
To separate the mature Jewish men from the boys, Muhammad ordered that their pants be pulled down and their genital area examined SS style for the growth of pubic hairs. Those, who had grown pubic hair, were separated for beheading as says the following hadith.
Book 38, Number 4390:
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: “I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. “
The Quran Celebrated the Massacre of the Jews of Banu Qurayza
Allah celebrated this slaughter and enslavement of the Jews in the Koran:
Quran-33:25- “Allah turned back the unbelievers [Meccans and their allies, e.g., Banu Qurayza] in a state of rage, having not won any good, and Allah spared the believers battle. Allah is, indeed, Strong and Mighty.”
Quran-33:26- “And He brought those of the People of the Book [Jewish people of Banu Qurayza] who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts, some of them you slew (beheaded) and some you took prisoners (captive)”
Quran-33:27- “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of surrendered Jews]
Quran-8:67—“It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land….” (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.”
Quran-8:17—It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)
How can you believe in a God, the all-perfect and loving creator of the universe, who instructs the murder of all prisoners? These are CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. An ideal God cannot author such heartless and barbaric teachings. Allah order “Make slaughter in the land.” Mass murder. Take no prisoner, kill them all. Words of hatred and terror pour from verses 33:25-26 cited above: “in a state of rage” “cast terror into their hearts” “some you slew” (beheaded). Insanity to the extreme!
The Looted Property of Banu Qurayza and the Jewish Women and Children were Divided among Muslims
Through the acts of final solution of the Jewish tribes also comes Allah's generosity of enriching his Jihadist brigands from the lands and wealth of the annihilated Jews and through their enslavement (33:26-27). Allah also enrich Muhammad with a higher share, one-fifth, of the spoils of war:
Quran-8:41— “And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah, - and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, - if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing, - the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.
According to this Sura a fifth share of the booty was taken by Muhammad some of which was distributed to near kin, etc. as stipulated in the Sura. But this distribution was at Muhammad's discretion. The booty included the captives who were made slaves. The booty of Banu Nadir, another Jewish tribe of Medina to fall victim of Muhammad's Final Solution, according to Quran 59:6, belongs to Muhammad alone; because no fighting, either with horses or on foot, took place.
More specifically, Ibn Ishaq says the spoils were divided among the Muslims thus:
Then the apostle divided the property, wives, and children . . . among the Muslims, and he made known on that day the shares of horse and men, and took out the fifth. A horseman got three shares, two for the horse and one for the rider. A man without a horse got one share (p. 466). Then the apostle sent Sa'd b. Zayd al-Ansari brother of b. 'Abdu'l-Ashhal with some of the captive women of B. Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons. [page 466] Muhammad took one of the Jewish women, named Rayhana bint Amr as his own sex-slave:
The apostle had chosen one of their women for himself, Rayhana bint Amr... one of the women of... Qurayza, and she remained with him until she died, in his power. The apostle had proposed to marry and put a veil on her, but she said: "Nay, leave me in your power, for that will be easier for me and for you." So he left her. She had shown repugnance towards Islam when she was captured and clung to Judaism. (Ibn Ishaq p. 466)
Muhammad's dealing with the Jews of Medina, encouraged and assisted by Allah, was a perfect parallel of what Hitler did to the Jews. Hitler and this German SS robbed and looted the property of murdered Jews. When Hitler came to power, Jewish businesses and property were confiscated. Everything was seized from expensive paintings to exclusive furniture. Their women and children were stripped of their clothing, forced into slavery, and after slaughter in the ovens, gold teeth were pulled out of their burnt skulls.
Hitler's mission of exterminating the Jews in the 20th century was not new. It had a more diabolical precedent, which came as a divine mission through the Koran and Muhammad some 13 centuries earlier.
You is a very strange person. I don’t even have the time or energy to read your entire rant. Why do you have them to write it?
I have a good many posts to my record, quite a few of which are with regard to Islam in one way or another. I believe it would be difficult for a reasonable person to read through what I’ve said and decide I’m an apologist for Mohamed or Islam.
I am not a troll, BTW. I’m an Ent. Trolls were made by the Great Enemy in imitation and (attempted) mockery of us.
This whole bruhaha, on your part not mine, started because someone posted that Mohammed was illiterate but not untraveled. I replied that while probably illiterate, he was well traveled for a man of his time, having been a merchant in his youth with several trips to Syria (at the time part of the E. Roman Empire) and possibly to other more civilized areas outside Arabia such as Mesopotamia (Persian). These are historical facts that aren’t really open to question.
You responded that Mo only traveled to rape, pillage and kill, rather than to savor other cultures, with the implication that the only type of interactions he ever had with non-Arab culture were violent.
I pointed out he didn’t travel outside Arabia after becoming a military/political/religious leader and so didn’t commit any atrocities on other peoples.
You responded with more denunciation of Mo as a VERY BAD MAN.
I agreed he was a very bad man indeed, but in his military practices did not commit atrocities to an unusual degree for the time. This is quite indisputable factually, unless you can come up with some sort of evidence that most conquering peoples of the time observed the Geneva Covventions.
Muslim conquest was a good deal less bloody than Roman/Mongol methods. During its initial expansion Islam depended to a very considerable extent on men from the other side switching to keep the expansion going, and on taxation of conquered non-Muslims, for both of which unusually brutal methods (for the time) would have been counter-productive. None of which it to say that it wasn’t violent, only that it wasn’t unusually so for the time, or indeed for any time. Conquest is always really hard on the conquered. Vae victis and all that.
My point that seems to have driven you right off the edge is that Mohammed himself never left Arabia during his military/political career and therefore never did any personal pillagng/raping/killing outside his own “country.” No “invasions” of other areas were launched while he was alive, though if I remember correctly a reconnaisance mission was underway at his death.
My admittedly jocular use of the term “neighborhood” seems to be particularly offensive to you. I used it to mean “culture area.” While not precise terminology, I find it odd that someone would take offense in any real sense by a term used ironically/humorously in this way. My point was that while Mohammed did lots of raping/pillaging/killing in his lifetime, all of it was among Arabs, not neighboring peoples. I was pretty clear that this was only because Mohammed died. Had he lived, he or troops under his direct command, would have invaded Syria (Roman) and Mesopotamia (Persian).
You are apparently in a snit because I corrected some slightly hyperbolic claims made about Mohammed. My criticism was not in opposition to you or defense of Mohammed or Islam, but rather in defense of what I believe to be truth or historical accuracy.
Your objection to this seems to be based on the notion that if I point out that Mohammed did not invade Syria (though his successors did), then I am defending Mohammed and by extension Islam. This seems to be an example of the theory that if A is a bad person, he is guilty of all crimes. If someone else agrees that A is a bad man, but that while he committed crimes B through O, the facts show that he did not commit crime P; then that person must be “defending” and “whitewashing” A.
A devotion to truth and accuracy (as I see it) on various issues has seen me denounced as: pro-Confederate and anti-Confederate, pro-Mormon and anti-Mormon, pro-Catholic and anti-Catholic. Sometimes on the same thread. LOL
If you want to go to the effort of “exposing” me for all this, feel free. Also feel free to use my freepername. To be truthful, I haven’t even taken time to read your entire amazing rant and doubt that I will. I may or may not show up to defend my positions, but if so they will be what I’ve actually said, which are of course readily available under my listing for anybody who cares.
With occasional exceptions where I overstated a position in the heat of debate, I stand behind what I’ve written. Number of posts don’t seem to be available on userpage anymore, but some tens of thousands over more than 7 years is a fairly extensive record of opinion.
Have fun. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
You’ve read much on what Old Mo did in his day I see. I have too. He organized sixty-seven military campaigns in his life time. Twenty-seven of them he led personally.He didn’t need to go outside Arabia. He started a snowball rolling. It has ebbed and flowed through out history. The British have dealt with it over the last century and a half in Afghanistan and the Middle East, though they have just as often found it to be a useful ally. The Russians have been less tolerant of it where as in WW1 and WW2 Germany found it a useful ally. Though thankfully he himself was long dead at the time but if it hadn’t been for Charles Martell, “Charles the Hammer’’, Europe would be a much different place then it is today. I think however Charles would be to tears if he saw Europe today. Sadly what they couldn’t do to Europe militarily Muslims are doing by the womb. They’re breeding like rats all over Western Europe. I’m fifty seven and if the Good Lord gives me another 20 or 30 years, should it suit him, I imagine I’ll live to see Cantebury Cathedral turned into a mosque.
You may possibly be right.
Minor details.
A LOT more Muslims fought for the Allies in both world wars than fought on the German side.
Muslims may take over Europe within a few decades, but if so it will be because Europe committed suicide, not because Islam conquered it.
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