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Boeing scrubbed Starliner spacecraft’s launch after 13 valves failed to open
Seattle Times ^ | Aug. 9, 2021 at 10:16 am | Christian Davenport

Posted on 08/10/2021 4:14:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: BenLurkin

Look for the Union label................


21 posted on 08/10/2021 5:53:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Rockingham

It’s worse than that...
starting in the early 2000’s, companies began to uncerimoniously dump senior engineers.

The senior engineers were the mentors of the next generation of engineers, relaying their experience as to what works and what does not work. Many times what looks good on paper is a disaster in practice. The current class did not receive this mentoring.

What I was observing before I retired was the new class going down into the archives and pulling prints for things that had long ago been discarded. These new engineers, lacking the mentoring, put this old crap back into production.

What we are seeing today is a lack of vision due to having to muddle around on their own without the support of the “old guys” that knew what looks good on paper does not always work.
These decisions were not made by the engineers. These decisions to cut the senior staff was made by beancounters who have no skin in the game.


22 posted on 08/10/2021 6:01:50 AM PDT by joe fonebone (bush league chamber of commerce worshiping republiCAN'Ts are the enemy)
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To: BenLurkin
Sounds like they need a Wernher von Braun...

Oh, he was one of... them...

...never mind.

23 posted on 08/10/2021 6:04:21 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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To: joe fonebone

I’m kind of surprised someone like Musk hasn’t searched the country for experienced engineers. They could work from anywhere and he could skim the cream of the crop of experience.


24 posted on 08/10/2021 6:32:22 AM PDT by chrisser (I lost my vaccine card in a tragic boating accident)
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To: SaveFerris

Man that brings back some memories. That song had completely vanished from mu memory until now. Thanks


25 posted on 08/10/2021 6:37:31 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Dum Spiro, Pugno)
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To: chrisser
I'm kind of surprised someone like Musk hasn't searched the country for experienced engineers. They could work from anywhere and he could skim the cream of the crop of experience.

He already did. How do you think SpaceX managed to build and land reusable rockets do fast and regulstlysenx cargo and people to the Spacestation?

26 posted on 08/10/2021 6:47:33 AM PDT by SmokingJoe ( )
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To: CodeJockey

Been awhile

👌


27 posted on 08/10/2021 7:23:24 AM PDT by SaveFerris (The Lord, The Christ, and The Messiah: Jesus Christ of Nazareth - http://www.BiblicalJusChrist.Com)
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To: joe fonebone

Knowledge and experience are not nearly the same are they?

I too am a retired engineer after 42 years in service building all manner of things massive and snall. One of the things I saw decay was component qualification testing. Too much trust was being placed with vendors saying they met not only specification but application suitability knowing nothing about operations.

Some things got better with technology and access to knowledge but whet did not get better got worse.

Once a millwright engineer did a consulting job for my late Dad, also an enginee r. The work was on some ship size rotating machinery tnat would not perform. Some complained about his fee for a relatively short visit and wanted an itemized bill. He submitted the invoice for the same amount but 10% for his time and 90% for knowing where to put the marks. The problem was solved. Nobody else could do it.

Experience. You will never get anywhere without it.

The google age refutes that idea.

Never ask if someone understands. You have to take the time to find out what he understands before you release him to perform the task. Then you have to inspect and not just expect.


28 posted on 08/10/2021 7:30:29 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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To: BenLurkin

How does SpaceX launch one rocket after another yet Boeing can’t get going?


29 posted on 08/10/2021 10:25:13 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: joe fonebone
starting in the early 2000’s, companies began to uncerimoniously dump senior engineers.
Leftist reformers, professors, and corporate fools all believe nothing that came before them has any value.

Montesquieu understood it perfectly:
It is not chance that rules the world. Ask the Romans, who had a continuous sequence of successes when they were guided by a certain plan, and an uninterrupted sequence of reverses when they followed another. There are general causes, moral and physical, which act in every monarchy, elevating it, maintaining it, or hurling it to the ground. All accidents are controlled by these causes. And if the chance of one battle – that is, a particular cause – has brought a state to ruin, some general cause made it necessary for that state to perish from a single battle. In a word, the main trend draws with it all particular accidents

30 posted on 08/10/2021 4:38:56 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: thefactor

Not long ago, I heard an extended radio interview with an aerospace expert who had consulted with Musk on the start-up of Space-X. He described engineers there as full of enthusiasm and working nights and weekends to get things done. In contrast, he described NASA as overly cautious and bureaucratic, slow, and risk-averse.


31 posted on 08/11/2021 4:59:21 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: joe fonebone
Whenever companies go through phases of cost-cutting, they seem to inevitably make poor choices about who they keep and who they get rid of. Older employees with high pay tend to get purged out with little sense of their value as employees. Indeed, upper and middle management are often clueless about how the work actually gets done.

And supposedly cheaper off-shoring usually brings unexpected costs, inefficiencies, and defects. Supposedly, when Boeing investigated the faulty software in their new astronaut hauler, they found it riddled with defects from the cheap Indian coders they had relied on. Too many American companies are run by scheming careerists looking no further than the next accounting period.

32 posted on 08/11/2021 5:12:15 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: BobL
Quite so. In my experience, the best HVAC and appliance repair people are the tinkerers with dirty hands who, treated with kindness and respect, readily confide about the best way to get value and save money. With exceptions, too many engineers these days have little sense of how to tinker with a piece of equipment to get it working.

I confess that I am a little prejudiced on this point. A Polish immigrant grandfather of mine was a self-taught machinist who readily found work even in the Depression because he had a rare talent for fixing errant equipment, quickly and soundly. Alas, I did not inherit that talent but do have his take-no-sh*t-from-anyone attitude.

33 posted on 08/11/2021 5:26:37 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: BenLurkin

If it’s Boeing I’m not going.


34 posted on 08/11/2021 6:18:17 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: BenLurkin

Bad software / firmware, or sabotage. The first one is an isolated event, the 2nd one is happenstance, but the 13th one is enemy action.


35 posted on 08/11/2021 12:11:00 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (But what do I know? I'm just a backwoods engineer.)
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To: Bayard

I get your meaning, but they didn’t have full-flow staged-combustion methane/LOX engines in the 40s. At least, America didn’t.


36 posted on 08/11/2021 12:12:53 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (But what do I know? I'm just a backwoods engineer.)
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To: thefactor

Can confirm. I stole one of the best engineers I ever had away from SpaceX :-D


37 posted on 08/11/2021 12:14:19 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (But what do I know? I'm just a backwoods engineer.)
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To: BenLurkin

Boeing probably didn’t get the right number of process committees to approve the vales opening.


38 posted on 08/11/2021 12:15:31 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: thefactor

“Does anyone think that a young smart engineer at Boeing would be able to walk up to the Boeing CEO and say “hey I think new technique this will work.” “

Sure, but 20 VPs will step forward and lay claim to various parts of the idea and kill it with bureaucracy.


39 posted on 08/11/2021 12:17:12 PM PDT by CodeToad
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