The Weird Logic of Far-Leftists Who Support Putin in Ukraine - How Stop The War became Blame The Victim.

Medium ^ | May 10, 2022 | Bernard O'Leary

[FLT-bird]

It's called a puppet state not a buffer. As to they can't win, Ukrainian's don't have to win, they just have to keep killing Russians even during the occupation. Eventually Russians will leave. Has Finland been a puppet state since WWII? How about Japan? Austria? The Russians could simply occupy the areas that are filled with ethnic Russians who speak Russian....ie areas where they are welcome....and wait. Anytime the Ukes attack they can hit back much much harder. Eventually the Ukes would get very tired of being on the massively losing end of any clash. Or alternatively, they could simply agree to be neutral and to let the Russian areas of the country go. Then the killing would stop and they could get on with trying to better the lives of Ukrainians.

[tlozo]

Putin has stated Ukraine should not exist as a separate country. Remind me when he said that of Finland.

[FLT-bird]

Putin has stated Ukraine should not exist as a separate country. Remind me when he said that of Finland.

You refer to a paper he wrote a year or two ago. If he actually believed that, why has he offered them terms that would allow them to be a fairly large sovereign country in control of their own affairs so long as they do not present a military threat to Russia?

[tlozo]

why has he offered them terms that would allow them to be a fairly large sovereign country

"Sovereign" country that's disarmed and only exists at the whim of Putin, who I'm sure, will have no more territorial ambitions.

[FLT-bird]

"Sovereign" country that's disarmed and only exists at the whim of Putin, who I'm sure, will have no more territorial ambitions.

So you obviously must think neither Finland nor Austria nor Japan have been sovereign since WWII since none of them were armed much at all and each could have been easily smacked down by any major power.

[Yardstick]

It’s between the nationalist neo-Stalinist left and transnational corporatist progressivism.
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That’s how it looks to me, and this is something I’ve been puzzling over for a few years now. Some kind of split or falling out happened deep in the inner sanctums of the left back in the Obama years, which was visible to us in the total reversal that the Democrats did concerning Putin and Russia. One minute they were all about reset buttons and building a relationship but then all the sudden Putin was their number one enemy and universal boogieman. Something happened to precipitate that and I’d love to know what it was.

[tlozo]

Your being ridiculous at this point, Putin has stated clearly multiple times Ukraine should not exist. He has repeatedly taken territory from it. Somehow a disarmed Ukraine would be protected from further Putin annexations, even though you yourself have stated Putin could invade again. Japan is a large island nation, suggesting the US was going to absorb it is ludicrous. The Fins are armed to the teeth and will probably join NATO, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing up these not relevant examples.

[KC Burke]

Bingo.

We have a winner.

[FLT-bird]

Your being ridiculous at this point, Putin has stated clearly multiple times Ukraine should not exist. He has repeatedly taken territory from it. Somehow a disarmed Ukraine would be protected from further Putin annexations, even though you yourself have stated Putin could invade again. Japan is a large island nation, suggesting the US was going to absorb it is ludicrous. The Fins are armed to the teeth and will probably join NATO, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing up these not relevant examples.

No, you've swallowed the Globalist/Neocon propaganda. Look at the areas Putin is claiming. They are overwhelmingly Russian. The people in those areas are not going to fight the Russians coming in. They welcome them with open arms. If Putin were out to conquer and absorb all of Ukraine why has he offered terms that he has? The claim that he wants this or that this would be his future aim are impossible to support based on the terms he is offering.

Look what percentage of GDP Finland has spent on Defense on an annual basis since WWII. They are not armed to the teeth. Far from it. They've been neutral for over 75 years. They're just fine. Same goes for Austria. The same could go for Ukraine under the terms being offered. Russia is not proposing to rule over ethnic Ukrainians who are Ukrainian speakers. If they were, then I could see your argument, but they're not.

[tlozo]

No, you've swallowed the Globalist/Neocon propaganda. They are overwhelming Russian

Sure tell the dead Ukrainian's and the ones who find themselves under Putin's police state with destroyed homes, they should be glad they avoided Globalism.

[FLT-bird]

Sure tell the dead Ukrainian's and the ones who find themselves under Putin's police state with destroyed homes, they should be glad they avoided Globalism.

What do you think the Ukrainian state is like? Zelensky has shut down opposition newspapers and thrown his political opponents in jail. Ukraine is not a "democracy". and no, I'm not saying Russia isn't an authoritarian state also. It is. Neither side is very nice.

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