Posted on 07/04/2023 11:54:31 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
No, that was the crown pitting loyalists against the patriots.
Nice try Asperger’s boy.
The North ended slavery in 1804.
God, how can anyone be so dumb. Well, there is you.
And the South still LOST, didn’t they?
So answer my question, coward.
But it isn't the reason they marched into the South. Trying to pretend slavery is the reason why the North invaded the South is just lying about their real reasons.
Slavery has no place in a discussion about why Federal Armies marched into states to subjugate them. It had NOTHING to do with why they invaded.
You support the Confederacy, so you’re pro slavery , own it.
Stop with this ridiculous argument. Should I claim you are pro slavery because you supported the 13 colonies seceding from England? They were all slave colonies you know.
Trying to make the American revolution about slavery is a lie.
Trying to make the Civil War about slavery is a lie. Slavery was not the motivated force behind the North's invasion of the South. It had nothing to do with why they invaded.
Slavery WAS the issue no matter how you ans=d the rest of your pro slavery democrats here want to argue against.
Slavery is a fig leaf to justify all the murder and destruction done. The North invaded because of money, they didn't give a sh*t about the slaves. The slaves were just their pawns and their propaganda. They invaded to stop the South from becoming economically independent of the corrupt masters in Washington DC and New York.
... who were directly responsible for the deaths of 600, 000 Americans.
No invasion for money, nobody dies. The invaders are responsible for all the death. Defenders fight invaders.
Don't be an invader for corrupt people wanting money.
The Crown that was offering freedom to the slaves, versus the Patriots who were fighting for their slave owning states to be free of the Union.
Nice try Asperger’s boy.
And your constant reference to "Aspergers" demonstrates the sort of character you have.
Years ago I told you that I thought I might have Aspergers, because I have some of the traits that people with Aspergers have.
I didn't tell you this so that you could use it as a cheap shot against me, I told you this because I thought it might humanize me somewhat in your eyes.
Why would you think this is an okay thing to keep harping about? If I had told you one leg was shorter than the other, would you constantly be calling me "leaner"?
Why would you try to mock what some people might regard as a deficiency or a disability?
Now I have never been diagnosed as having "Aspergers" or any other issues and I am a quite well accomplished fellow who is doing well financially and in life in general.
So why do you feel the need to keep taking that same cheap shot?
I think you meant to say "New Jersey", but that isn't even correct, as the quote I showed you and the link where you can find it demonstrate.
New Jersey had slavery all the way up to the Civil War.
You support a political party, the Democrats who:
Gave us slavery
secession
the Confederacy
The Civil War
created the KKK
enacted Jim Crow Laws
opposed integration and supports Antifa and BlM You sure do point a jaundiced finger at what you perceive the sins of others.
And ended it. Not by fighting a war to preserve it!
I have answered it before. Perhaps you have forgotten.
The South would have kept slavery for between 20 years and 80 years to the best of my estimation.
The five Northern slave states would have kept slavery for 20 to 40 years longer, though there is a good chance they would have seceded from the North and become part of the CSA.
What a lot of people never seem to realize is that if the CSA would have survived, it likely would have had more states joining it as time went on.
It's economics were better for the border states than what they would have gotten by remaining with the New York/Washington DC coalition.
The New York/DC coalition was gouging the rest of the nation to pay for the opulent lifestyles of the Robber Baron class running the nation and controlling the government.
Same group of liberals we are still fighting today.
I don't support the political party, I support the rule of law and the rights of man.
The way to get rid of slavery, after having allowed it from the very beginning, was to vote it away.
Using force to make social change is just wrong. You have to change the hearts and minds, not kill people.
Nobody fought a war to preserve it. It was already legal, and the President of the USA kept saying that he would keep it legal.
You invoke President Trump only to cover your blue state proclivities; the rest of the time you repudiate President Trump's words and his beliefs.
President Trump has said General Lee was a great general and praised his role in unifying the country. President Trump has opposed blue-state culture's attempt to destroy Confederate memorials and place names.
You reject President Trump's wise counsel. In your post 36 you ranted: “The treasonous rebel bastards should have been hung. 600,000 dead Americans. Thank you Jeff Davis. Thank you Robert E. Lee. Confederate scoundrels the both of you.”
I don't want to be too hard on you. You are probably just repeating something you heard on television.
I live in a blue state.
But I’m a conservatives. Not a liberal. Not a Democrat like you masquerading as a conservative.
Do you understand or are you really that dumb?
The answer to the question is unknown and unknowable. Your response is as good as anyone's.
History does record this: Virginia approved the 13th amendment before Ohio, Indiana and Nevada.
Louisiana approved the 13th before Minnesota, Wisconsin and Vermont.
Tennessee and Arkansas before Connecticut and New Hampshire.
South Carolina, Alabama, North Carolina, and Georgia before Oregon and California.
Florida before Iowa and New Jersey.
Texas before Delaware.
These were ostensibly free and fair approvals by the states as required by the U.S. Constitution.
There may be those that say the approvals were sham approvals done under threats of bayonets; but that would be a separate indictment of the blue states.
The reason I brought up blue-state culture is because you made mention of a big Trump rally in New Jersey - as if you and that state support President Trump.
I can't help but notice that you have repudiated President Trump's praise of General Robert E. Lee. The General that President Trump said could have won the war in Afghanistan, you say should have been hanged as a traitor.
If General Lee was a traitor, what, then, does that make President Trump in your opinion?
I'm just testing your reasoning to see if it makes sense.
I know you live in a blue state.
I don't have to agree with Trump on everything and Lee Was a traitor. Trump a traitor? To whom and for what ? A traitor would be Biden and if you can't see that you're blind. And if you want to get insulting pal, you support the Confederacy, an evil entity that was beaten on the field of battle over one hundred and sixty years ago. Kinda makes you way behind the times. And yes I support trump and I'm proud of my state, a pivotal state in the forming of this nation. So what?
OK, but if you read your posts on this thread - and we can review them one at a time if you want - you attempted to read President Trump into the discussion of the Confederacy as if you wholeheartedly support Trump.
Why did you do it?
Maybe you wanted us to think President Trump supports your New Jersey anti-Lee values.
The fact is you repudiate President Trump's informed judgment and admiration of General Lee, and if I'm not mistaken, you also reject President Eisenhower’s informed judgment and admiration of General Lee.
Pointedly, you repudiate General Grant's informed judgment about General Lee.
I'd like to help you extricate yourself from the mess you have made but you are pretty much out there alone.
Trump won’t disown you if you don’t love Lee. People born when he was may have much respect for Lee, but it’s not non-negotiable.
Slaves who made their way to Union lines were freed as early as Summer 1861. As time went on, people knew what was coming if the war lasted long enough and the USA won.
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