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~~~ Reflections on the Starship Launch
Nov. 19, 2023 | Thomas Smedley

Posted on 11/19/2023 12:21:39 PM PST by TomEd

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To: pierrem15

It was amazing reading some of the comments on YouTube how this was just another failure because both stages blew. They were extolling the virtues of Artemis, how it worked perfectly the first time...after how many years? At half the thrust of Starship, and not designed to be reusable. Some people just don’t get it.


21 posted on 11/19/2023 2:03:26 PM PST by BikerJoe
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To: SamAdams76

Shoot, I’d be perfectly happy with 3G (yes, 3G) if the cell companies could just get me 2 bars of signal strength consistently...

No, I’m not in some remote mountain valley.


22 posted on 11/19/2023 2:35:02 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Paul R.

This is what Elon is shooting for with Starlink. High speed access from anywhere on the globe. The amount of satellites already put into orbit is staggering. Most people do not realize that Starlink already has 5,000 orbiting satellites with over 40,000 total planned (so far).


23 posted on 11/19/2023 2:44:12 PM PST by SamAdams76 (6,390,901 Truth | 86,874,940 Twitter)
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To: SamAdams76
Yes, the April launch resulted in serious damage to the launch pad. This time, the launch pad fared much better.

Still: I don't understand how Starship is expected to lift off from the Moon and Mars without a great deal of debris affecting everything around it. Or do I not understand the mission profiles?

24 posted on 11/19/2023 2:58:48 PM PST by LimitedPowers (Citizenship is not a Hate Crime!)
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To: LimitedPowers

If it lands on the moon or Mars, it may clear a flat-ish space for itself as it slowly descends.


25 posted on 11/19/2023 3:15:55 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: LimitedPowers

But I otherwise think you are right. It’s another problem to solve.


26 posted on 11/19/2023 3:17:24 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BikerJoe
NASA still has the mentality that if anything blows up, it's a failure. So they spend gazillions of dollars trying to engineer a flawless system before it flies. SpaceX has figured out it's just much cheaper and faster to do a good job, fail, and learn to correct it.

The other problem is that the primary role of NASA's manned space program is to divert money to politically connected contractors, not to get a working system. Just like military procurement.

27 posted on 11/19/2023 3:20:06 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: LimitedPowers

On the moon, only 1/6 of the thrust is needed.


28 posted on 11/19/2023 3:21:20 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: SamAdams76

Well, if my transceiver “phone” fits easily in my pants’ side pocket... :-)

Agreed on the satellites. I’ve spotted the “strings” of ‘em B4 dispersal a couple times — pretty cool.


29 posted on 11/19/2023 4:21:54 PM PST by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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