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Where Hal Lindsey and Dispensationalism Went Wrong
Prophecy Questions Blog ^ | February 1, 2024 | Charles Meek

Posted on 03/13/2024 5:15:29 PM PDT by grumpa

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1 posted on 03/13/2024 5:15:29 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

One thing we do know, Hal Lindsey sold a lot of books.


2 posted on 03/13/2024 5:20:00 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: grumpa

oh look

ANOTHER BASH post....

youre a coward.

like an old gossip talking crap about “ those “ awful people.

accuser of the brethern is what you are

why dont you post about what YOU believe in ?

no, you bash.

sad , dude.


3 posted on 03/13/2024 5:20:36 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: grumpa

And I guess somehow you think attacking Lindsey will bring others closer to God. Sorry, but your screed does the opposite for me.


4 posted on 03/13/2024 5:22:35 PM PDT by RainMan ((Democrats ... making war against America since April 12, 1861))
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To: cuz1961

Why post against Dispensationalism? It’s a different gospel. Truth matters. And PS—for what I believe go to the link.


5 posted on 03/13/2024 5:24:17 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: RainMan

Sorry, but your screed does the opposite for me.


So you are offended. What of the evidence of being wrong, what do you do with that?

Are you going to ignore the evidence?


6 posted on 03/13/2024 5:24:34 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: grumpa

I spent a lot of time in my younger years worrying about the world’s end times. Then I realized that is far more important that I worry about my personal “end times” and getting right with Jesus.


7 posted on 03/13/2024 5:25:23 PM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: grumpa

Just allegorize everything and you can make up your own Bible.
We can trust you to be the arbiter of truth.


8 posted on 03/13/2024 5:25:33 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification.)
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To: grumpa

The late Irvin Baxter of Endtime had it correct. We are nowhere near the end.

His son in law runs the show now and is on par with Brother Baxter.

It’s a good show. 3pm weekdays live. Or youtube.


9 posted on 03/13/2024 5:30:16 PM PDT by waterhill (Take your ivermectin, kill zee bugs)
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HISTORY OF FALSE PROPHETS

In every generation after the apostles, there have been Christians who mistakenly believed that they were in the last days. They have thought that their generation was the one Jesus spoke of when He prophesied that “all these things” would happen in “this generation.” Failed prognosticators have been a persistent embarrassment to Christianity.

End Times speculation holds a particular fascination for American evangelicals who are wrapped up in rapture theology. They curiously find hope in an expected destruction of the planet and its replacement with a utopia in which carnivorous animals will take up vegetarianism. It is simply taken for granted that the Bible predicts an end of time, and that there is no number of elapses centuries spent waiting for it that cannot be called “the end times.”

Francis Gumerlock, in his book THE DAY AND THE HOUR: CHRISTIANITY’S PERENNIAL FASCINATION WITH PREDICTING THE END OF THE WORLD, lists end-times prophecy predictions made by Christians, beginning with the apostolic fathers.

For example, Ignatius writes around the year AD 100 that “the last times are come upon us.” Cyprian (200-258) writes that “the day of affliction has begun to hang over our heads, and the end of the world and the time of the Antichrist. . . draw near, so that we must all stand prepared for the battle.”

Christopher Columbus wrote a book entitled BOOK OF PROPHECIES in which he called on many of the same passages of Scripture that false prophets cite today to predict the imminent end of the world. He apparently thought that his discoveries marked the beginning of the end.

Martin Luther made this statement: “I am satisfied that the last day must be before the door; for the signs predicted by Christ and the Apostles Peter and Paul have now all been fulfilled, the trees put forth, the Scriptures are green and flourishing. . . . We certainly have nothing now to wait for but the end of all things.”

Here are just a few more modern examples of end-times dating from Christians as well as pseudo-Christian cultists:

—Ellen G. White (co-founder—Seventh Day Adventist Church): 1843, 1844, 1850, 1856.
—Joseph Smith (founder—Mormon Church): 1891.
—Jehovah’s Witnesses: 1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and 1984.
—Hal Lindsey: 1982, 1988, 2007, with contingency dates going as far as 2048.
—Jack Van Impe: 1975, 1992, 2000, 2012.
—Chuck Smith (founder of Calvary Chapel): before 1981
—Pat Robertson: 1982, 2007.
—Edgar C. Whisenant: 1988, 1989.
—Bill Maupin: 1988.
—Charles R. Taylor: 1992.
—Benny Hinn: 1993.
—Grant R. Jeffrey: 2000.
—Lester Sumrall: 1985, 1986, 2000.
—Kenneth Hagin: 1997 to 2000.
—Jerry Falwell: 2010.
—John Hagee (at age 71): before he dies.
―John Walvoord: before he died (He died in 2002)
—Harold Camping: 1994, 2011.
—Perry Stone: 2009-2015
—Billy Graham: Even this venerable preacher began telling us in the 1930’s to expect the soon return of Christ.

Pastors all across America’s fruited plains have books of some of these authors proudly displayed in their office libraries. Money continues to flow to these authors and many others of the same ilk. Whenever you happen to be reading this, you will probably be hearing from a new generation of false teachers.

Perhaps there is something fundamentally wrong with these predictions. All of these prognosticators had something in common: They all thought they knew better than Jesus, who over and over told his followers that his prophecies would come to pass while some of them were still alive (Matthew 10:23; 16:27-28; 26:64; Luke 21:22, 32; John 21:22; etc.) Along with the New Testament writers, there are over 100 time-statements in the New Testament that limit fulfillment of prophecy to the first century (Hebrews 1:1-2; 1 Peter 4:7; 1 John 2:18; etc.).

Here are more failed predictions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_and_claims_for_the_Second_Coming_of_Christ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events


10 posted on 03/13/2024 5:32:28 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: taxcontrol

I agree. Perhaps looking “up” for the rapture, we should get busy to prepare the World for His coming. Sadly, prophecy had been taught ad fire insurance. As you say, get right with God and you will see him. In the meantime, share your generosity with others.


11 posted on 03/13/2024 5:39:02 PM PDT by silent majority rising (When it is dark enough, men see the stars. Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: waterhill

3 and 1/2 years after the 7 year peace treaty between Isreal and Palestine will be the Abomination of Desolation ( when the ac reveals himself).

https://youtube.com/shorts/YUAh-7890yI?si=Dt6xE78xarWz_9ZU


12 posted on 03/13/2024 5:39:25 PM PDT by waterhill (Take your ivermectin, kill zee bugs)
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To: grumpa
So did Jesus return to Earth in 70 AD? Were those who had “fallen asleep” prior to his return bodily raised from the dead in 70 AD? Did He render final judgment on all humanity in 70 AD? Were a new heavens and new Earth created in 70 AD, after the current ones had passed away in a “fervent heat?” Was there a great tribulation in 70 AD that was worse than anything mankind has ever been through since the beginning of the world, and worse than anything we will ever experience in the future? …and I could go on for pages…

While there is a small nugget of truth in your argument, there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary that you cannot explain.

13 posted on 03/13/2024 5:40:36 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: grumpa
youre an anti Semitic jew hater dude.

you proud of that ?.

your pretrerism is a doctrine of demons

that the truth that people need to know

you are a coward, that when i confronted you with proof that you are wrong, instead of a rebuttal

.you ignored it and ran for the hills

i.e. a rank coward .

you said there is no distinction between israel and the church and when i proved you dead wrong with 2 scripture verses , one in Daniel and one in Matthew

like a coward you ran from my rebuttal and just acted like you weren't proven wrong

you are a false teacher

you are a heretic

you are exactly what you accuse us of

just like the perv reprobate commie left.

sad.

repent while there is still time broham.

otherwise you will hear

” i never knew you”

14 posted on 03/13/2024 5:41:43 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: grumpa

Wow-

In a country where most people don’t even know what dispensationalism is, you find people writing a fact based retrospective After Action Review.

Sadly for many churches, many of these ideas have been incorporated and they in part persist even today among many Christians especially in the US.

That is why doctrine and tradition matter. It should ward off / resist the incorporation of herecy based on the idea that 1) the Bible has a flaw in it and we figured out what that is. 2) Someone had a vision and wants to add to the Bible. 3) People for 2,000 years just had it wrong. Let me show you how to really interpret XYZ. 4) Some modern (paradigm) that has not Christian connection in reality gets incorporated into the church (socialism, feminism, animal rights, LGBTQIA, climate change, a drug lord saint...) These are the 3 basic origins in most herecy you have today in Christianity.


15 posted on 03/13/2024 5:44:02 PM PDT by Red6
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To: grumpa

Intellectual debate about the Second Coming.

Joe Biden talked about bringing Benjamin Netanyahu to a “Come to Jesus” the meeting last week.

At the rate Biden is going better get ready for the Lord to arrive IMHO.

War In The Middle East War With Russia In Ukraine War With China?

Regardless the Higher Power wants me doing the right thing in the moment I am living whatever His ultimate plans.


16 posted on 03/13/2024 5:45:17 PM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: grumpa

This really is a useless exercise in carping or grumping. At least these folks were in the arena and did the best they could with the data they had at the time. The question is when Jesus comes will he find you watching or sleeping?


17 posted on 03/13/2024 5:45:21 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Red6

4 not 3 reasons.

Typing on a phone keyboard.


18 posted on 03/13/2024 5:46:31 PM PDT by Red6
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To: grumpa

Accuser of the Brothers

Placemarker


19 posted on 03/13/2024 5:49:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: grumpa

There’s a reason He said this:

So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. ~ Mathew 24:26


20 posted on 03/13/2024 5:50:43 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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