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Mark Steyn: We still don’t get it
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 09/11/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 09/09/2004 6:40:41 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: goldstategop
Perhaps it may take a thousand Beslans before we do and by then it may be too late

More likely people in a place like Beslan will rise up and begin ethnic cleansing of the Muslim population. The elites on the left will equate taking actions that are necessary (closing borders, proactively killing Islamofascists)with this response and we will be further hamstrung in our ability to respond as we must.

satan is a really intelligent adversary

41 posted on 09/09/2004 8:29:55 AM PDT by tx_eggman ("There is no safety for honest men but by believing all possible evil of evil men." --Edmund Burke)
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Steyn is more of an American than the RINOs, the "undecideds," and the Party of Slavery and Treason. I have yet to see a poor article from him.


42 posted on 09/09/2004 8:36:07 AM PDT by Chief_Illinewek
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To: Pokey78

Steyn Bump!


43 posted on 09/09/2004 8:49:20 AM PDT by VRWCer (Everything that is hidden will be found out, and every secret will be known. Luke 12:2)
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To: Pokey78

>>>9/11 was not ‘the day that changed the world’ but instead the day that revealed how much the world had already changed.<<<

So very true!!

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44 posted on 09/09/2004 8:52:56 AM PDT by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: Popman

I note your comment, "Europe will lay down and submit. They are all but already there," and think that if I were a resident of Europe, I would hope to be an old person right now. The future there looks really bleak.


45 posted on 09/09/2004 8:54:12 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Common Tator
"What part of the rise and fall of the Soviet Union's attempt to destory the USA did you miss? here is a clue. WE won it with weapons we built but did not have to use. We started an arms race and our enemy went bankrupt trying to win that arms race. "

Just because I didn't know you were the one responsible for naming wars doesn't mean you need to act like a liberal when someone asks for clarification.

46 posted on 09/09/2004 8:57:28 AM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (Misunderestimated Again Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: jwfiv

Great read.


47 posted on 09/09/2004 9:00:26 AM PDT by Serb5150 (Trust me, I know what I'm doing.)
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To: Pokey78
Just reading and digesting the brilliance of the points in this commentary by Mark Steyn should be enough to put any Infidel into a shaky, nervous sweat!

Steyn and others are wailing the klaxon as loud as they can. Are enough listening to make the ultimate difference?

48 posted on 09/09/2004 9:03:31 AM PDT by Gritty ("the problem is a soft pampered West failing to imagine we can ever come to an end-Mark Steyn)
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To: Pokey78
Everybody oughta read Mark Helprin's essay War in the Absence of Strategic Clarity (More than merely winning the war in Iraq, we needed to stun the Arab World.)
49 posted on 09/09/2004 9:06:46 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Nevadan

I always hated that song


50 posted on 09/09/2004 9:26:37 AM PDT by xcullen (DC Conservative)
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To: GOPJ
Allah hates sin.

Perhaps, but how does 'Allah' define sin? Not killing enough 'infidels'?

51 posted on 09/09/2004 9:33:20 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: Pitiricus

I believe that when the West will be aroused (and yes, it will happen... after a few hundred thousand are killed by the muslims)... there will be a mass massacre of muslims in Europe à la St Barthelemy...


I expect some kind of civil war in Europe, depending on how well future generations of Muslims integrate. The new generations of 'old' Europeans won't be quite so idealistic. Look for a Fourth or Fifth Reich.


52 posted on 09/09/2004 9:37:45 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: Popman
Madrid didn't pass the test.

I don't think that's conclusive. It take only a few thousand votes to swing an election. We'll see where they're at next election.

53 posted on 09/09/2004 9:39:37 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: Pokey78

Powerful column from Steyn.


54 posted on 09/09/2004 9:39:52 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Pokey78

bttt


55 posted on 09/09/2004 9:41:49 AM PDT by gipper81
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To: Pokey78

PFL


56 posted on 09/09/2004 9:46:16 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings

Ping


57 posted on 09/09/2004 9:47:48 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: Pokey78

bookmark


58 posted on 09/09/2004 9:49:39 AM PDT by fuzzy122 (GBGB [God Bless George Bush] and the Armed Forces ... Arnold and Zell too!)
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To: Heavyrunner
We are in a cultural war, and will remain so until there is a winner.

There is no winner in a cultural war becuase it never ends. Cultures are constanly changing and the best we can do is keep fighting to avoid losing the good and valuable of the culture we have now. We can never really win.

We may not be building an empire, but we had better be prepared to win the war.

Too many people live in a fantasy world and subsist on wishful thinking. 'People are basically good'; 'We just need to understand each other'; 'Can't we all just get along'; and other lame cliches form the modern liberal secular religion.

59 posted on 09/09/2004 9:51:08 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: Pokey78
The threat is obvious, stated in clear terms by the aggressor, and yet their declared opponents will not fight. It's a recipe for defeat and disaster, and it's obvious who will win.

But then what I'm describing isn't the current state of affairs in Europe, it was the state of affairs in 1940 in the United States when Germany was on the march and we - and the Russians - sat back hoping we wouldn't have to. There was a point where Britain fought alone against impossible odds, and things looked pretty black. Then it changed.

I think it will again. Europe isn't dead, it's just in a state of deep denial, hoping that it won't have to march because we are. What might arouse it? I point out that Paris and Berlin are within range of Iranian nuclear missiles, and New York is not. Not a happy scenario, perhaps, but then neither was Pearl Harbor.

60 posted on 09/09/2004 10:05:45 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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