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WA Gov. Race: Republicans to Sue King County Over 573 Ballots
KOMO-TV ^ | 16 December 2004

Posted on 12/16/2004 11:59:33 AM PST by Publius

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To: Publius

I watch CSI so the obvious answer is to take DNA samples from all the envelopes. Keep everything as evidence. The votes could be counted before a judge and the results sealed barring a full investigation. The judge can release if the votes have a material impact on the election but release no margin of victory until the matter is fully investigated.


41 posted on 12/16/2004 12:16:45 PM PST by thecanuck
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To: Rebelbase
I'm practically speechless that the republicans are actually going to challenge this fraud.

We've been challenging it all along - even if we DO have Chris Vance as our chairman ;0)

42 posted on 12/16/2004 12:16:52 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Guess I asked for that one , but seriously, do you think this lawsuit will go anywhere, and why are the Republicans up there so silent about this outrage?
43 posted on 12/16/2004 12:17:24 PM PST by Bush gal in LA
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
So you're cool with them just finding ballots wherever they happen to turn up? Do I have that right?

No, you do not. I'm curious to know how you reached that conclusion.

44 posted on 12/16/2004 12:18:14 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Bush gal in LA

Silent? We've not been silent. The lawsuit success depends on whether we get a fair hearing... In all honesty, I was surprised by how our state Supreme Court ruled recently...

Tough call to make though.


45 posted on 12/16/2004 12:18:43 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: Politicalities

Ya know, we probably could have overlooked the first 3,4, 5, even 6 times they found new ballots. This SEVENTH time, however, strains credibility...

When will you open your eyes to what is happening? On the 23rd recount, when the rats are turning in photocopied ballots???


46 posted on 12/16/2004 12:19:57 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: Bush gal in LA
The R's understand they face a PR nightmare if they pull out a win with people thinking they somehow "gamed" the system. Joel Connelly in the P-I fired the first shot of that campaign by the Democrats yesterday.

Vance's first step was a letter to Logan using measured language asking for further consideration of the provenance of these ballots. That was rejected.

The second step is to follow through with a suit.

47 posted on 12/16/2004 12:20:50 PM PST by Publius
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Ok, since it appears you have no clue what you are talking about, let me ask you something in all seriousness:

At the close of the polls (7 weeks ago), part of the election day process is to take the machines apart one by one, and members of BOTH parties verify that there are no ballots at all stuffed anywhere in or around the machines - including in the side pockets, underneath them inside them. Every nook and cranny is checked and verified.

7 weeks ago, those ballots were not there. Period.

Deal with it.

Uh, sorry, you said you were going to ask me something "in all seriousness". I don't see the question.

The 22 new ballots are more suspicious and are deserving of greater scrutiny than the 500+ absentees. By all accounts those absentees may well be valid and may have been disqualified purely in error. How can you say they shouldn't be counted? Ask yourself honestly, if absentee ballots in a heavily-Republican county were disallowed because of an error by the tabulators, would you be insisting as strongly they shouldn't be counted?

48 posted on 12/16/2004 12:21:12 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Publius

A rather large pair, it seems. Perhaps they have enough left to hand out a few pairs to Congress.


49 posted on 12/16/2004 12:22:37 PM PST by RockinRight (Liberals are OK with racism and sexism, as long as it is aimed at a Republican.)
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To: Politicalities

I wasn't speaking about the absentee ballots. I was directly referring to the new 22 ballots, i.e. the 7th ballot find in as many weeks. Those 22 are the ones I am speaking of that were not there during election day. I bet the "paper trail" backs me up on that, too.


50 posted on 12/16/2004 12:22:52 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: Publius

Ok, let me get this straight. These ballots were rejected because the signatures were not scanned into a computer. But then we see that one of the signatures not scanned into a King County computer was a democratic councilman in a democratic county by more than likely democratic workers?

How can a democratic councilman's signature not be scanned into a computer by democratic workers in a democratic county? This seems very "odd" to say the least.


51 posted on 12/16/2004 12:24:57 PM PST by MissouriConservative (A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul)
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To: hobbes1
Well, In order to prevail, if Dino is up by 121, te Rats would have to steal 80% of those 573

Wouldn't they only have to steal 60.6% of the vote?

573 + 121 = 694 -- 694/2 = 347 for 50% of the vote.

347 - 121 = 226 needed for Rossi to get 50% of the vote.

347/573 = 60.55% for a tie or the Rats would need only 60.7% or 348 votes of the 573 to win.

I think that's right... Someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong!

52 posted on 12/16/2004 12:25:36 PM PST by RogerWilko
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To: Bush gal in LA
This article explains how this could end up with the legislature deciding the race or the Washington State Supreme Court throwing out the election and ordering a new special election to pick the governor.

This is where the two nuclear options come in. Neither side wants it to go this far. Already 2 Democratic state senators (Kastama and Sheldon) have said they would vote for Rossi if he won the second recount and their party asked the legislature to intervene. Democrats in the legislature are quietly begging the party not to play this card.

53 posted on 12/16/2004 12:26:36 PM PST by Publius
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To: Politicalities
If it is impossible to show the chain of possession of those ballots "found" in the ballot machines, then there is no way to prove they weren't put there at a later time.

Regardless, the only way possible for those ballots to be missed in the machines is for someone to not have done their job. When the ballots are removed from the machines, it is done by at least two people, often with a third observer. The machine is dismantled and inspected to make sure all ballots are removed from it. The two people who are responsible for this task sign off that they have verified that all ballots are removed from the machine. Each machine has an individual number and those people sign off that they have done the job correctly and completely.

If some ballots are now "found" in a machine, there are at least two people who should lose their jobs and/or face criminal sanctions.

54 posted on 12/16/2004 12:26:40 PM PST by SW6906
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To: RogerWilko

Well, either way it'll be close. So, they'll hold these 22 new ballots, and maybe even find more, just in case they need them. If they don't need them, they'll just toss those ballots and say "We couldn't verify them, so we didn't count them." but if gregoire is behind in teh final count, they'll count them.

Just watch.


55 posted on 12/16/2004 12:27:20 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: Publius

And the third step should be thousands of people in the street and camped around the Capitol building while the appeals are pending.


56 posted on 12/16/2004 12:27:51 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Politicalities
I don't want Rossi sitting in the governor's mansion if Gregoire got more votes. There are more important things than winning.

Don't you mean "... if Gregoire got more valid votes." In short ... we have every reason to doubt that these ballots are valid. Do I have proof? I don't ... but I know Democrats. They will do anything to win ... including cheat.
57 posted on 12/16/2004 12:27:53 PM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: RogerWilko

348 votes out of 573 in a DemoRat county would be TOTALLY doable and COMPLETELY unsuspicious also! That's why they know they'll win if they get to count them!


58 posted on 12/16/2004 12:28:44 PM PST by RogerWilko
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To: Publius

Republicans ought to get with the business of finding ballots, too.

When will the cutoff date be, anyway?


59 posted on 12/16/2004 12:28:52 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

The cutoff, in theory, would be when the 3rd count is certified by the decretary of state...


60 posted on 12/16/2004 12:30:05 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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