Posted on 12/16/2004 11:59:33 AM PST by Publius
I watch CSI so the obvious answer is to take DNA samples from all the envelopes. Keep everything as evidence. The votes could be counted before a judge and the results sealed barring a full investigation. The judge can release if the votes have a material impact on the election but release no margin of victory until the matter is fully investigated.
We've been challenging it all along - even if we DO have Chris Vance as our chairman ;0)
No, you do not. I'm curious to know how you reached that conclusion.
Silent? We've not been silent. The lawsuit success depends on whether we get a fair hearing... In all honesty, I was surprised by how our state Supreme Court ruled recently...
Tough call to make though.
Ya know, we probably could have overlooked the first 3,4, 5, even 6 times they found new ballots. This SEVENTH time, however, strains credibility...
When will you open your eyes to what is happening? On the 23rd recount, when the rats are turning in photocopied ballots???
Vance's first step was a letter to Logan using measured language asking for further consideration of the provenance of these ballots. That was rejected.
The second step is to follow through with a suit.
Ok, since it appears you have no clue what you are talking about, let me ask you something in all seriousness:
At the close of the polls (7 weeks ago), part of the election day process is to take the machines apart one by one, and members of BOTH parties verify that there are no ballots at all stuffed anywhere in or around the machines - including in the side pockets, underneath them inside them. Every nook and cranny is checked and verified.
7 weeks ago, those ballots were not there. Period.
Deal with it.
Uh, sorry, you said you were going to ask me something "in all seriousness". I don't see the question.
The 22 new ballots are more suspicious and are deserving of greater scrutiny than the 500+ absentees. By all accounts those absentees may well be valid and may have been disqualified purely in error. How can you say they shouldn't be counted? Ask yourself honestly, if absentee ballots in a heavily-Republican county were disallowed because of an error by the tabulators, would you be insisting as strongly they shouldn't be counted?
A rather large pair, it seems. Perhaps they have enough left to hand out a few pairs to Congress.
I wasn't speaking about the absentee ballots. I was directly referring to the new 22 ballots, i.e. the 7th ballot find in as many weeks. Those 22 are the ones I am speaking of that were not there during election day. I bet the "paper trail" backs me up on that, too.
Ok, let me get this straight. These ballots were rejected because the signatures were not scanned into a computer. But then we see that one of the signatures not scanned into a King County computer was a democratic councilman in a democratic county by more than likely democratic workers?
How can a democratic councilman's signature not be scanned into a computer by democratic workers in a democratic county? This seems very "odd" to say the least.
Wouldn't they only have to steal 60.6% of the vote?
573 + 121 = 694 -- 694/2 = 347 for 50% of the vote.
347 - 121 = 226 needed for Rossi to get 50% of the vote.
347/573 = 60.55% for a tie or the Rats would need only 60.7% or 348 votes of the 573 to win.
I think that's right... Someone PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong!
This is where the two nuclear options come in. Neither side wants it to go this far. Already 2 Democratic state senators (Kastama and Sheldon) have said they would vote for Rossi if he won the second recount and their party asked the legislature to intervene. Democrats in the legislature are quietly begging the party not to play this card.
Regardless, the only way possible for those ballots to be missed in the machines is for someone to not have done their job. When the ballots are removed from the machines, it is done by at least two people, often with a third observer. The machine is dismantled and inspected to make sure all ballots are removed from it. The two people who are responsible for this task sign off that they have verified that all ballots are removed from the machine. Each machine has an individual number and those people sign off that they have done the job correctly and completely.
If some ballots are now "found" in a machine, there are at least two people who should lose their jobs and/or face criminal sanctions.
Well, either way it'll be close. So, they'll hold these 22 new ballots, and maybe even find more, just in case they need them. If they don't need them, they'll just toss those ballots and say "We couldn't verify them, so we didn't count them." but if gregoire is behind in teh final count, they'll count them.
Just watch.
And the third step should be thousands of people in the street and camped around the Capitol building while the appeals are pending.
348 votes out of 573 in a DemoRat county would be TOTALLY doable and COMPLETELY unsuspicious also! That's why they know they'll win if they get to count them!
Republicans ought to get with the business of finding ballots, too.
When will the cutoff date be, anyway?
The cutoff, in theory, would be when the 3rd count is certified by the decretary of state...
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