Posted on 12/16/2004 11:59:33 AM PST by Publius
It's too late. All counties have reported and certified except for Pierce, Snomohish and King. Pierce and Snohomish will report tomorrow, and King is scheduled to report next week.
Ask yourself honestly, if absentee ballots in a heavily-Republican county were disallowed because of an error by the tabulators, would Democrats not strongly be insisting they shouldn't be counted?
Florida, New Mexico in 2000, Ohio, Washington today. None of the disputes were in republican precincts.
2. Where else did Phillips vote that day?
Phillips was in Ohio campaigning for Kerry.
If an election worker accidently takes home a stack of ballots and then returns them untouched, should they be valid? I don't care how much evidence there is that they were sealed and untouched. For the integrity of the process they should be discarded. Some mistakes shouldn't be fixed. There is no proof that the 22 ballots found in the machine base were there on election day. As for the 573 ballots, as long as there is a complete verified chain of custody and it is proven that the ballots are valid, then they should count. It is interesting that the papers never quote any republican poll workers/counters that are vouching for the ballots.
Assuming the story about the uncounted absentees is true (and I've seen no evidence it's not), those ballots should be counted.
I disagree with your statement. I would write it like this: Until the story about the uncounted ballots can be proven or sufficiently verified (and I have seen no evidence that they have), those ballots should not be counted. All disputed or "found" ballots should not be counted until proven valid instead of counting all ballots until proven invalid.
The Republican's are so silent.....because, like President Bush, I believe they know how to play POKER.....and the game ain't over yet!!! (Lots is going on behind the scenes)
That is GREAT..... The Dim-Rats want to steal the election. Check the poll on www.nwcn.com
Phillips was out of town, Ohio, I think.
Yeah....I don't think the Republican's have yet checked all of Puget Sound for ballots.....but, the dragging and dredging would take months.
Agreed. But if there were disputes over suddenly 'discovered' ballots in a Republican precinct, you can be damn sure the Democrats would be all over it like Bill Clinton on a pudgy intern.
Heck, there wasn't any fraud in Ohio, and some Democrats still can't admit they lost.
If you're suggesting that we all get "chipped" to be allowed to vote (or to be allowed to engage in commerce), then I would have to disagree. (And I'm an atheist, no less.)
I would prefer showing a picture ID to prove I'm the person who is appearing to vote. And I'd abolish absentee voting entirely, along with this business of provisional ballots.
Yes, you are correct.
Exactly. Six weeks after the election, any newly 'found' ballots should be presumed invalid unless proven otherwise.
See Chad's explanation. Your argumentative, sarcastic post to him was how I reached that conclusion. He was talking about the ballots they simply "found" in some pocket on some voting machine, and you argued that they should be counted, because he had no "evidence" there was anything sinister going on.
I heard a fascinating exchange between Carlson (KVI) and a Democratic poll worker at the King County recount. Although the poll worker allowed that he personally would not let any chicanery get by him from either party, he said he could understand why Democrats would want to steal this race -- as payback to Republicans who stole the 2004 election in Florida and Ohio.
I was flabbergasted.
That happened to me once. But I was a little kid then, and I repressed the memories...
I don't agree with Rad_J. Ballots that are found are checked against voter rolls, signatures are checked, and they check whether the voter voted already, before any "found" ballot is used. It's not some game.
And if Democrats are so partisan that they are only looking in King County for ballots (where most of the voters are, by the way), they would not have filed suit with the Supreme Court to have ALL ballots in ALL counties re-examined for validity under a single standard.
Here's the deal: either all counties must subject ballots to a single standard (which the SC rejected), or King County can decide as the arbiter of its own election rules (which it is) to re-examine its own ballots. You can't have it both ways.
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