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WA Gov. Race: Republicans to Sue King County Over 573 Ballots
KOMO-TV ^ | 16 December 2004

Posted on 12/16/2004 11:59:33 AM PST by Publius

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To: truth_seeker

It's too late. All counties have reported and certified except for Pierce, Snomohish and King. Pierce and Snohomish will report tomorrow, and King is scheduled to report next week.


61 posted on 12/16/2004 12:30:33 PM PST by Publius
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To: Politicalities
Ask yourself honestly, if absentee ballots in a heavily-Republican county were disallowed because of an error by the tabulators, would you be insisting as strongly they shouldn't be counted?

Ask yourself honestly, if absentee ballots in a heavily-Republican county were disallowed because of an error by the tabulators, would Democrats not strongly be insisting they shouldn't be counted?

62 posted on 12/16/2004 12:32:09 PM PST by malakhi
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To: malakhi

Florida, New Mexico in 2000, Ohio, Washington today. None of the disputes were in republican precincts.


63 posted on 12/16/2004 12:33:49 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Chad Fairbanks
1. Why did Phillips vote absentee?

2. Where else did Phillips vote that day?

64 posted on 12/16/2004 12:34:50 PM PST by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: harrowup

Phillips was in Ohio campaigning for Kerry.


65 posted on 12/16/2004 12:36:14 PM PST by Publius
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To: Politicalities
Politicalities, I disagree with your logic. There may not be proof that fraud was committed but the ballots themselves are evidence that correct procedures were not followed whether accidental or not.

If an election worker accidently takes home a stack of ballots and then returns them untouched, should they be valid? I don't care how much evidence there is that they were sealed and untouched. For the integrity of the process they should be discarded. Some mistakes shouldn't be fixed. There is no proof that the 22 ballots found in the machine base were there on election day. As for the 573 ballots, as long as there is a complete verified chain of custody and it is proven that the ballots are valid, then they should count. It is interesting that the papers never quote any republican poll workers/counters that are vouching for the ballots.

Assuming the story about the uncounted absentees is true (and I've seen no evidence it's not), those ballots should be counted.

I disagree with your statement. I would write it like this: Until the story about the uncounted ballots can be proven or sufficiently verified (and I have seen no evidence that they have), those ballots should not be counted. All disputed or "found" ballots should not be counted until proven valid instead of counting all ballots until proven invalid.

66 posted on 12/16/2004 12:36:30 PM PST by Rad_J
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To: Bush gal in LA

The Republican's are so silent.....because, like President Bush, I believe they know how to play POKER.....and the game ain't over yet!!! (Lots is going on behind the scenes)


67 posted on 12/16/2004 12:36:33 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: Publius
We're a 21st century country. This is all just so much BS.
We need to improve our voting system. Use a biometric with PIN system. Your vote gets verified and tabulated instantly. No losing or finding votes. No hanging chads. No debatable votes. No votes by dead people. This stuff really flames me.
68 posted on 12/16/2004 12:36:52 PM PST by ProudVet77 (Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: bigbob
"Count(erfeit) every Vote!"

That is GREAT..... The Dim-Rats want to steal the election. Check the poll on www.nwcn.com

69 posted on 12/16/2004 12:37:23 PM PST by Phyto Chems (Convert or DIE is there call --- but I will remember Nick Berg & now Paul Johnson and .....)
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To: harrowup

Phillips was out of town, Ohio, I think.


70 posted on 12/16/2004 12:39:02 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: truth_seeker

Yeah....I don't think the Republican's have yet checked all of Puget Sound for ballots.....but, the dragging and dredging would take months.


71 posted on 12/16/2004 12:39:29 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: Semper Paratus
Florida, New Mexico in 2000, Ohio, Washington today. None of the disputes were in republican precincts.

Agreed. But if there were disputes over suddenly 'discovered' ballots in a Republican precinct, you can be damn sure the Democrats would be all over it like Bill Clinton on a pudgy intern.

Heck, there wasn't any fraud in Ohio, and some Democrats still can't admit they lost.

72 posted on 12/16/2004 12:40:14 PM PST by malakhi
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To: ProudVet77
Use a biometric with PIN system.

If you're suggesting that we all get "chipped" to be allowed to vote (or to be allowed to engage in commerce), then I would have to disagree. (And I'm an atheist, no less.)

I would prefer showing a picture ID to prove I'm the person who is appearing to vote. And I'd abolish absentee voting entirely, along with this business of provisional ballots.

73 posted on 12/16/2004 12:40:40 PM PST by Publius
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To: RogerWilko

Yes, you are correct.


74 posted on 12/16/2004 12:41:17 PM PST by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Rad_J
All disputed or "found" ballots should not be counted until proven valid instead of counting all ballots until proven invalid.

Exactly. Six weeks after the election, any newly 'found' ballots should be presumed invalid unless proven otherwise.

75 posted on 12/16/2004 12:41:39 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Politicalities; Chad Fairbanks

See Chad's explanation. Your argumentative, sarcastic post to him was how I reached that conclusion. He was talking about the ballots they simply "found" in some pocket on some voting machine, and you argued that they should be counted, because he had no "evidence" there was anything sinister going on.


76 posted on 12/16/2004 12:43:26 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Wannabe Princess)
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To: malakhi
Heck, there wasn't any fraud in Ohio, and some Democrats still can't admit they lost.

I heard a fascinating exchange between Carlson (KVI) and a Democratic poll worker at the King County recount. Although the poll worker allowed that he personally would not let any chicanery get by him from either party, he said he could understand why Democrats would want to steal this race -- as payback to Republicans who stole the 2004 election in Florida and Ohio.

I was flabbergasted.

77 posted on 12/16/2004 12:43:39 PM PST by Publius
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To: Publius
I was flabbergasted.

That happened to me once. But I was a little kid then, and I repressed the memories...

78 posted on 12/16/2004 12:45:02 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Go Ahead. Mace just makes me even more excited.)
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To: MissouriConservative
"How can a democratic councilman's signature not be scanned into a computer by democratic workers in a democratic county? This seems very "odd" to say the least."

How could the butterfly ballots in so many Democratic counties of various states have been designed so poorly?

How could democratic poll workers neglect to maintain the polling equipment in so many democratic counties?

Apparently when talking about democratic elections officials, it's not wise to underestimate their incompetence.

There is likely evidence to show if these ballots were rejected for invalid reasons. It also sounds like the Republicans are going to make very sure this is investigated carefully before any ballots are added to the count.
79 posted on 12/16/2004 12:45:07 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: All

I don't agree with Rad_J. Ballots that are found are checked against voter rolls, signatures are checked, and they check whether the voter voted already, before any "found" ballot is used. It's not some game.

And if Democrats are so partisan that they are only looking in King County for ballots (where most of the voters are, by the way), they would not have filed suit with the Supreme Court to have ALL ballots in ALL counties re-examined for validity under a single standard.

Here's the deal: either all counties must subject ballots to a single standard (which the SC rejected), or King County can decide as the arbiter of its own election rules (which it is) to re-examine its own ballots. You can't have it both ways.


80 posted on 12/16/2004 12:45:45 PM PST by spudpuppy
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