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Defaced Confederate Memorial is Part of our History
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 21 February 2005 | Susan Paynter

Posted on 02/21/2005 8:18:34 AM PST by Publius

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To: L98Fiero

When I was in grad. school in Chicago, a New Yorker I knew refused to believe I was from MS for similar reasons. He wouldn't believe me until I produced my Driver's License. Seriously.


21 posted on 02/21/2005 9:10:04 AM PST by bourbon (You see me here, and yet I am already changed, already elsewhere.)
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To: chemicalman

No, it's not only in Seattle. There is something that conservatives need to understand about leftists who prattle on about "embracing differences" and "celebrating diversity": All such talk is merely a smokescreen. The real agenda of the left is nothing short of genocidal - to completely eradicate and destroy traditional Western civilization, the faith it is rooted in (Christianity), and the ethnic groups who make up its tradtional majority population (people of European heritage).

The oppressors must be eliminated in order for the free and equal supermen (new Soviet man, the Aryan über-race (a race that never actually existed), the new face of America, the New World Order, etc.), to emerge and rule the universe. That is why they have openly sided with Islam in its jihad upon the West.

The overwhelming majority of Confederate soldiers were fighting for their homes and families - not to preserve slavery. While I don't agree with the assertions of neo-confederates that the Southern states had every right to secede, the fact remains that the fallen soldiers from the confederacy died for this country just as the fallen bluecoats did. They deserve the respect and honor that all fallen veterans are due.


22 posted on 02/21/2005 9:13:56 AM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: Publius
"This place is so mellow that I couldn't conceive of people getting their shorts in a wad over something like this."

Baloney. Carry a Bush sign in Westlake Center and you will be threatened with death every 15 minutes. I guarantee it. You will be flipped off every single minute, spat at every 5 minutes, hollered at without end for the entire time.

Seattlites have their shorts in a wad about absolutely everything.

Only those who agree perfectly with the liberal / left line perceive mellowness from them.

23 posted on 02/21/2005 9:14:08 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: Publius

Seattle should be ashamed of itself for a whole host of reasons, creating a climate of thought police is at the top. And this is the result. They probably think it's a good thing. Idiots.


24 posted on 02/21/2005 9:20:54 AM PST by hershey
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To: L98Fiero

Kinda odd because New England (especially Providence, Worcester, and Boston) is home to some of the most racist white folk I've ever met.


25 posted on 02/21/2005 9:22:51 AM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: L98Fiero
When I was a kid we had a family from California move down the street from us. They had 2 sons close to me and my friends age. They really wanted to fit in so we kidded them by telling them that they had to lead to walk bear footed and talk with a Southern draw before we would allow them to join us. He, He.
26 posted on 02/21/2005 9:23:06 AM PST by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: Bogolyubski
e real agenda of the left is nothing short of genocidal - to completely eradicate and destroy traditional Western civilization, the faith it is rooted in (Christianity), and the ethnic groups who make up its tradtional majority population (people of European heritage).

Remember that the overwhelming majority of leftists in this country are white and of "Euro-peon" heritage. I've never felt any sort of political harassment among black, Asian, or Latino neighbors and coworkers in my life. Its always come from obnoxious fellow pale faces.

BTW: I prefer "American Civilization" to distinguish our great country and our unique cultural history as apart from the decadent hellhole that is Europe, with its history of slavish devotion to popes and monarchs, deference to traditional authority, and embrace of "isms" as governing philosophy.

27 posted on 02/21/2005 9:27:03 AM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Clemenza
The creation of the Washington Territory was spearheaded by Jefferson Davis when he was Secretary of War in the Pierce Administration.

Pierce County was named after Franklin Pierce, and King County after William Rufus DeVane King, who was a senator from Alabama and ended up as Buchanan's VP. (King was also as openly gay as one could be in that time.)

This state owes a lot to southern gentlemen.

28 posted on 02/21/2005 9:27:26 AM PST by Publius (The people of a democracy choose the government they want, and they ought to get it good and hard.)
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To: Clemenza

Whoops. King was Pierce's VP, not Buchanan's. Breckinridge was Buchanan's VP.


29 posted on 02/21/2005 9:28:43 AM PST by Publius (The people of a democracy choose the government they want, and they ought to get it good and hard.)
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To: Publius
The people who would do something this despicable must really hate America and Americans. Whatever the issues in 1860-61, that led to the separation, traditional America, both North and South had healed that division by early in the 20th Century. Those who have suddenly succeeded in stirring it up again, have no love for America.

On the eve of the birth of the noble Virginian, who did more than any other man to secure the independence of these States, it is a fit time to dedicate ourselves to identify and expose those mongers of hate, who have created a climate where this sort of cultural atrocity can take place. It is well to remember, also, that Robert E. Lee was the son of one of Washington's most celebrated Lieutenants.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

30 posted on 02/21/2005 9:40:11 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Clemenza

Leftists rule Europe. They are deliberately setting up the enslavement of their own people at the hands of the Muslims. Leftists here (whether they call themselves Republicans or Democrats) share the same nihilistic goal. Europe is indeed a decadent hellhole, but we aren't really that much far behind. As far as the racial aspect of the issue is concerned, those minority individuals who have embraced Western civilzation and culture are, if anything, even more demonized than white conservatives. Just read some of the hate mail received by Michelle Malkin, by way of example.

47-48% of the electorate voted for a complete traitor for president last November, and the left remains in control of most major institutions. They've been chiseling away at the constitution for the last 70 years, and there appears to be little if any serious effort to fight and resist their agenda. Leftist dogmas on topics ranging from feminism to the homosexualist agenda are routinely embraced by Republicans - not to mention Democrats, who are the party of the left.

The curious thing about leftism lies in its essentially parasitical nature, and the fact that it is largely embraced by native westerners. The thugocracy ruling China, for example, while ostensibly communist - is nonetheless quite nationalistic in most respects. Chairman Mao's attempt to destroy traditional Chinese culture failed - miserably. The gang in charge now resembles the warlords of an earlier China more than anything else. There is no drive by Japan's ruling class to import millions of aliens for cheap labor and permanently replace Japanese culture with an Polynesian one, for example. Such a concept is unthinkable in Japan, but lauded on Wall Street.

Only westerners truly embrace the cultural suicide and nihilistic essence of leftism. There are opportunistic minorty agitators who are along for the ride, of course. The Dutch film-maker Theo Van Gogh was sort of the epitome of end-stage leftism: A nihilistic Euro who rejected his own heritage, culture and faith ends up pathetically begging the precious "other" he invited into his own native land for his life as the Jihadi plunges the knife into his chest. A culture of death.


31 posted on 02/21/2005 10:27:00 AM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: Ohioan

I had an early meeting here in Nashville.

I noted public schools are open today yet close for MLK.

Ugh.


32 posted on 02/21/2005 10:30:55 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Publius

btt


33 posted on 02/21/2005 10:32:34 AM PST by NW Mike (Proud member of the VRWC since 1972 -- who the hell are you calling 'neo'?)
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To: Bogolyubski

Man, I think you are right on. You have summarized the situation as well as anything I have read. I am a little dense on one thing, however. What did you mean by "soviet man?" Did you mean this is supposed to be the ideal for all of us?


34 posted on 02/21/2005 10:57:16 AM PST by sasportas
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To: Publius

Looks like the tolerant liberals in Washington read "1984" and took it seriously.


35 posted on 02/21/2005 12:36:02 PM PST by aomagrat (Where weapons are not allowed, it is best to carry weapons.)
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To: sasportas

Thanks for your kind remarks. The "New Soviet Man" was the utopian being who was supposed to emerge triumphant when the work of the "dictatorship of the proletariat" (the liquidation of the counter-revolutionary element) was completed. It is one of the many variations on the endless theme (and ultimate lie) of leftism - the perfectability of man.

The Nazi (National Socialist Democratic Worker's Party) variation was the "Aryan." Mao similarly sought to create a Chinese version of the same utopian creature during the "Great Cultural Revolution" of the 1960s. It all stems from Hegel's model of the oppressed "übermenschen" (lit. superhumans) who could only emerge and take their rightful place as free and equal masters of utopia by eliminating the oppressor "untermenschen" (subhumans).

Despite the mountains of corpses and rivers of blood generated over the past two centuries (at least120 million according to Dr. Rummel's very authoritative "Death by Government" site) the left soldiers on relentlessly. "We just haven't tried the right variation yet, you see."


36 posted on 02/21/2005 3:28:38 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: Ohioan
"Whatever the issues in 1860-61, that led to the separation, traditional America, both North and South had healed that division by early in the 20th Century. Those who have suddenly succeeded in stirring it up again, have no love for America.

Nicely put, but then all we of Southern descent want is the right to celebrate our heritage and honor our fallen without derision and epithets being flung at us. Also we want the truth to be taught to our children instead of lies. I too love this country, and served in her defense for 20 years on active duty. But I didn't serve so that PC could thrive and silence freedom. So you may be a Yankee but you sound like one who has some common sense. Join with the Sons of the South to fight this tyranny called PC.

37 posted on 02/21/2005 6:22:39 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Publius
This place is so mellow that I couldn't conceive of people getting their shorts in a wad over something like this.

I agree. I spent over a year in Seattle and I never saw anything like what is being described.

It is either an abberation or a fabrication.

I know Seattle is Ithica West, but it ain't fair to paint with this broad of a brush.

38 posted on 02/21/2005 6:25:31 PM PST by freedumb2003 (If you oppose jihad, you are not a Muslim. If you support jihad, you are my enemy.)
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To: Bogolyubski

I was familiar with Neitzche's superman ideal, I readily see (now, thanks to you) the Soviet version. We are talking about ideal/paradigms in other words.


39 posted on 02/21/2005 7:43:01 PM PST by sasportas
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To: freedumb2003

Isn't Seattle where they have erected a statue of Lenin? Doesn't sound line a very mellow place to me.


40 posted on 02/21/2005 7:44:44 PM PST by sasportas
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