Posted on 03/01/2005 1:33:00 PM PST by sheltonmac
We try to highlight the honorable parts of our culture: family, God, agriculture, military, outdoors.
Have you ever noticed ALL those things are under attack?
What is happening to the South is Cultural Pollution.
We Confederates also had to fight 200,000 Germans who couldn't speak English.The Union had NO RIGHT to to oppose the Secession,,,that's right,,the Union is still rewriting the Constitution. 03\04\04 a day to remember.
Funny how four years of history when we fought against each other become so much more important than all the rest for some people. The idea that people may value Southern culture while disagreeing about the Confederacy and its flag doesn't seem to occur to Shelton.
I would just like to point out that Georgia changed its state flag to distance itself from the desegragation fight of the 50's and 60's. The current state flag is almost a dead ringer for the First National, aka, the Stars and Bars!
Federalist No. 39
The Conformity of the Plan to Republican Principles
(For the Independent Journal)
James Madison
Were the people regarded in this transaction as forming one nation, the will of the majority of the whole people of the United States would bind the minority, in the same manner as the majority in each State must bind the minority; and the will of the majority must be determined either by a comparison of the individual votes, or by considering the will of the majority of the States as evidence of the will of a majority of the people of the United States. Neither of these rules have been adopted. Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act.
(Emphasis mine)
The Founders thought differently.
>>At the cost of over 600,000 Americans? Slavery had already >>died off in most Northern states and other parts of the >>civilized world.
That is indeed a strange reasoning: perpetuate an institution of human misery and suffering, then take up arms to defend against those who seek to bring it down, then blame the force trying to destroy the institution of misery for the human losses sustained in the conflict.
>>It was also a dying institution in the South and most >>likely would have been dead within the next decade.
There is no support for your statement, and more importantly, if it had even a gram of truth in it, the confederacy would not have hesitated to abolish slavery to avert the war. If they were going to abolish slavery anyway, yet fought and caused the loss of over 600,000 as you claim, where is the nobility in that sort of decision??
>>Slavery was legal in all 13 colonies when we fought for >>our independence from England. In fact, from the time the >>first European set foot on these shores until 1865, >>slavery existed in one form or another in America. >>Fortunately, people began to realize that slavery was >>incompatible with a nation founded on liberty, and the >>institution began to fade away.
>>Out of curiosity, are you familiar with what the New >>Testament says about how slaves were to be treated? Many >>Southern slaveowners followed those guidelines. It's >>difficult for us to imagine a culture in which slavery was >>accepted, but it was a social reality at the time. Were it >>deemed inherently evil back in biblical times, the Apostle >>Paul would have condemned Philemon for owning slaves. He >>didn't. In fact, he sent the runaway slave Onesimus back >>to his owner.
Now you're just getting kind of creepy; you are using some arguments that were used in state houses 150 years ago. And with regard to your argument about Paul, he strove above all to follow Christ, whose second commandment was to love and treat your neighbor as you would want to be treated. Very plainly, this is the simplest commandment to follow. One cannot honestly argue that you are following Christ's second commandment while owning and trafficking in slavery.
I tend to like both,but then I'm from Bama.We just got our little Christain Flag which at the moment no one is aware of...opps!
States that fought for the Union that were also "red states" in 2004 include: Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, West Virginia, California, and Iowa.
By themselves, the southern states would have been crushed in the '04 election.
"y grandmother referred it as "The Late Great Unpleasantness ">Her father lost a leg at the first Battle of Mannassas.He was in Lees Army of Northern Virginia."
It's amazing how close in time that War was for some folks.
I used to do business with a gentleman who's grandfather fought in the war (South). He remembers his grandfather taking him along on visits to the Old Soldier's Home to see friends he fought with.
The State was part of the Union,in itself a sovereign entity.Able to choose whether to join or not and wether to leave or not.You're saying that their are 50 counties in this Country.Don't think so.50 individual States.
ROTFLMAO!
...it's some Southron supporter living in Minnesota trying to tell Damn Yankees what to think.
Ann Coulter wrote an excellent column regarding the Confederate flag and the issue of slavery. I suggest you get a copy of her "How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)".
If you really knew about the history of slavery in America, you would know that the North had stronger ties to slavery than the Confederacy.
Say what? Are you reading the same Constitution as I am? Because the one I'm familiar with requires the consent of the other states in order for a new state to join. Once admitted it requires the consent of the other states for a state to split or combine with a new state or to change it's borders a fraction of an inch. Why is it so hard to accept that it should also take the consent of the states to leave altogether?
That's where the BIG Business was located. If them there YANKS were't so gullible,,maybe---just maybe,,,
Georgia changed its state flag in an effort to distance itself from its Confederate history.
Hold on now poss, Georgia didn't get a chance to vote on
it, it was again run rough shod over the choice of the people by our oh so thoughtful politicos.
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