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AP Breaking: Schiavo Parents Won't Fight Court Ruling (11th circuit)
SFC ^ | March 26, 2005 | MIKE SCHNEIDER

Posted on 03/26/2005 8:31:30 AM PST by FairOpinion

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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Amen, brother!


41 posted on 03/26/2005 9:04:35 AM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Wild Bill 10

I would like to see a poll,where people are asked the following questions:

1. Stray animals, slated for destruction are allowed to live, if someone is willing to adopt them. Terry's parents are willing to assume all responsibility for her, do you think she should have been released to her parent's care, or put to death anyway, for the convenience of her husband?

2. Do you believe people should be allowed to kill inconvenient family members, regardless of their mental state, as long as they are unable to communicate their wishes?

3. Do you think it's right to require proof beyond reasonable doubt, before convicting criminals, but apply the death sentence to innocent people, even when substantial doubts remain as to their mental state and personal wishes?

4. Do you think someone should be able to continue to be someone's guardian, even when they withhold medical care and comfort, such as treating their ward for infection or allowing them outside to get some sunshine?

5. In Terri's case there are substantial doubts as to her mental state and her wishes, her parents want to take care of her, several nurses also signed affidavits about Terri's responsiveness. Do you think she should be put to death?


42 posted on 03/26/2005 9:06:13 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Will God remove his protecting hand from America? Believing in a just and mighty God has been our redeeming quality throughout the world. With man's law overriding God's, we will get what we deserve should he turn his face from us.
43 posted on 03/26/2005 9:07:19 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Diogenesis

We don't like it when the lefties call our president or our soldiers Nazis. In fact, we laugh at the left for throwing out the Nazi or fascist accusation at the drop of a hat, so why are hyperbole and slander like that okay when done by "our" side, for "our" issues?


44 posted on 03/26/2005 9:09:19 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: All
That other thread was pulled, but I saw the crawler say that the tube would be reinserted. Maybe FOX jumped but I saw that about a half hour ago.

What's up with that?

45 posted on 03/26/2005 9:10:54 AM PST by MileHi
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To: Wild Bill 10
They are LIBERTARIANS which hold to some conservative views but are way way out in the ozone on many other issues such as the TS case.

I've said this repeatedly, but obviously it needs to be said again. A person's feelings regarding whether or not Terri should live or die have nothing to do with political affiliation or religious principles. One Freeper said that they were threatened with banishment from a Christian message board because he or she vehemently supports Terri and the other members don't. Several well-known liberals have said that they disagree with starving her to death. My husband and I are libertarian-leaning Republicans and we believe that Terri's most basic right, her right to life, is being violated.

46 posted on 03/26/2005 9:12:07 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife ("It's a good life...if you don't weaken." - - my grandmother)
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To: MileHi; All

So now they just reported on FOX that it was denied. FOX screwed up because I saw that crawler and it is why I came to see what FReepers were saying about it. Too bad...


47 posted on 03/26/2005 9:16:57 AM PST by MileHi
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To: mountaineer
Because the shoe fits so perfectly. It's about eugenics and the elimination of useless eaters, costly in medical care. A utilitarian society.

And that's exactly where we are headed. Want more parallels? Just ask.

48 posted on 03/26/2005 9:20:28 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: mountaineer
“In the 19th century, there were important medical and legal debates across Europe, including Germany, about what to do with inmates of asylums and others with physical, emotional, and intellectual disabilities. One of the proposed solutions was the killing of asylum inmates. In 1920, the idea that some humans were not worthy of their own lives was emphasized when two university professors published a paper called, ‘Permission for the destruction of life unworthy of life,’ encouraging the official killing of people with disabilities.

“By 1938, German literature and art, and especially, film began to celebrate lives unworthy of living in a host of propagandistic projects." (ever heard of Million Dollar Baby and The Sea Inside?)

"This is where I suggest that we are now implementing the same ideas in our society that were used so efficiently by the Nazis,” Mostert said."

49 posted on 03/26/2005 9:29:42 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: mountaineer
However, the fact that the Nazi extermination programme began with the elderly, the sick, the mentally ill, has been well documented for decades. Rabbi Cooper said that the killing of the disabled was a kind of training ground for the Nazi regime to "fine-tune" its "technology of death".

"...the Nazi programme of euthanasia, called T4, that began with the collusion of the medical establishment and the courts.."

50 posted on 03/26/2005 9:33:03 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: MarMema

As you have shown, we are losing more than just Terri. I'm sad for all we are losing. I never thought I would see the day where something like this would happen--not only happen, but happen with full approval from authorities, not to mention a portion of the public that is disturbingly large.

I don't believe this is what our Founding Fathers risked everything and in a lot of cases, spilled their blood for. They must be all spinning in their graves.


51 posted on 03/26/2005 9:40:53 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: mountaineer
Euthanasia in the Third Reich: Lessons for Today?

Today in top medical journals there is debate about changing the definition of death, about the use of PVS patients for medical experiments, and about taking chronically ill or brain-damaged children to surgery, removing their organs, and presumably having them die on the table as they do it.

If you think there is much sanctity of life left in this country today, think again.

52 posted on 03/26/2005 9:43:24 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: mountaineer
Auschwitz in America

Forced Exit

Forced Exit

"Imagine a forty two year old man in a severe car accident that renders him comatose for 16 months. A feeding tube is inserted for hydration and nutrition. The patient regains consciousness and some functional abilities though his deficits render him severely disabled. He can maneuver a motorized wheelchair on command, hand a ball to his therapist 80 to 100 percent of the time and show appropriate emotional responses such as kissing his mother's hand. His wife requests that the feeding tube be removed and he be transported to a nursing home where he will die from dehydration. The hospital ethics committee agrees. The patient's mother and sister intervene through the courts and an injunction is obtained to prohibit the dehydration."

" Smith presents a chilling side-by-side analysis of the 1920 book by two respected professors Alfred Hoche and Karl Binding (Permitting the Destruction of Life not Worthy of Life), and current arguments advanced by proponents of the euthanasia and assisted suicide."

"In the book, Smith details the "food and fluid" legal cases as well as case studies of real people where death by dehydration was advocated or permitted. Some of these patients were not comatose nor in a persistent vegetative state."

53 posted on 03/26/2005 9:52:06 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: MizSterious

The question is, what are we going to do about it?


54 posted on 03/26/2005 9:53:43 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: franklog

Start with post 49.


55 posted on 03/26/2005 9:55:20 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: All
Terri, may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

Come home, come home ye who are weary come home.
Earnestly tenderly Jesus is calling, calling o sinner come home.
Time is now fleeting, the moments are passing, passing from you and from me
Shadows are gathering deaths night is coming, coming for you and for me
Come home, come home, ye who are weary come home
Earnestly, tenderly Jesus is calling, calling o sinner come home.

56 posted on 03/26/2005 9:58:05 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: FairOpinion
Terri must have taken a turn for the worse, that's probably why they decided to stop the appeals process.

One would think Terri has passed the point of no return. Her journey to meet death, which started when she said "I do" in marrying her executioner, is about to end.

57 posted on 03/26/2005 9:59:42 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: hoot2
Didn't Fox News just say the tube will be connected again?

If you're a kid, go play elsewhere.

If you're an adult, you must be one sick sadistic SOB.

58 posted on 03/26/2005 10:01:52 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Wild Bill 10
They are LIBERTARIANS which hold to some conservative views but are way way out in the ozone on many other issues such as the TS case.

They're liberals who favor tax cuts. Well, there are some liberals on our side in this issue so let me amend it to say "death culture liberals" who favor tax cuts. I'm not against tax cuts but only worrying sbout economics and not the social, moral and ethical things, it does ring hollow to me. During the last few days, I find myself more in agreement with the likes of Jessie Jackson, Ralph Nader, Orson Scott Card than with some here even. Imagine that! This issue does cross ideology.
59 posted on 03/26/2005 10:03:17 AM PST by Nowhere Man (I hope you enjoyed your dinner, Terri Schiavo can't. B-()
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To: FairOpinion; Brytani

You guys missed my joke. It was meant to point out that Greer thinks he is ABOVE God and can prevent him from claiming Terri's soul.....



60 posted on 03/26/2005 10:08:44 AM PST by Stellar Dendrite (But, I thought liberals want to help the "little guy"?)
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