Skipping school can mean a day in court or washing school buses, fines or parenting classes

Houston Chronicle ^ | July 5, 2005 | BILL MURPHY

[moog]

"It almost seems they're harsher on truants than they are on those who are disruptive."

In some places, probably, in others probably not. In my area, it's those who are disruptive that are punished harsher than those who are truant. I do think that some punishments can be too harsh. I'm not in favor of "parenting classes" at all. There should be something to address personal responsibility for the student though. It is probably best handled by the parents themselves in most situations (I do believe, at least in my area, that that would be the case) or an agreed upon punishment between the school, parents, and kid.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I hear you.

But it looks like you were doing most of the worrying moog.

If there'd been less intervention on your part, the example of a few could have been an example for all.

You sound like you love your job.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

............. There should be something to address personal responsibility for the student though. It is probably best handled by the parents themselves in most situations (I do believe, at least in my area, that that would be the case) or an agreed upon punishment between the school, parents, and kid.

Personal responsibility should be a big part of one's education. And when it doesn't happen, due to parenting or personal irresponsibility, consequences should follow.

But now we have districts who, because THEY ARE LOSING MONEY, are taking families to court and putting people in jail. This is wrongheaded.

The last part of this article:

***...The program has helped push average daily attendance in the Forth Worth Independent School District, which serves about 80,000 students, from 93.8 percent in 2002-2003 to 94.9 percent this school year, said Delena Doyle, the district's assistant director of student affairs.

Affects bottom line

Such an increase means more money in a school district's coffers. State aid to schools is based in part on average daily attendance. Fort Worth's 1 percent increase in average daily attendance brought $4 million more to the district this year, Doyle said.

In Harris County, the ability of the district attorney's program to increase state aid hasn't gone unnoticed by some local school districts, said Moore, one of two prosecutors assigned to the program.

"The school districts talk a lot about the average daily attendance money," he said. ***

[Smokin' Joe]

I was just one of many.

The most common infraction dealt with hall passes.

The school had used wood blocks with the teacher's name and room number on them for years. It didn't take long for a fresh bunch of rural kids to decide that we had a few scraps of 2 X 4 around and a magic marker... By the end of the year they had nearly a full cord of (counterfeit) hall passes...

That was sixth grade. I had an excellent teacher, but was a pretty rambunctious kid, despite successful efforts to harness a lot of that energy, and was in good company. Both the teacher and principal should have been named as saints, imho, for the way they handled the lot of us.

My folks did actively participate in me getting punished, and I spent a lot of time in trouble.

God bless Mom and Dad for all they put up with. Thanks to them I have turned out pretty well.

BTW, that was one of the best schools I went to (of seven, by the time I graduated High School), and the best public school.

[freepatriot32]

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So in Texas they force people to go to school until they are 18 at which time they can legally drop out.But if they don't drop out and skip school they go to an adult jail for not attending a childrens school. Makes a hell of a lot of sense o me .Every child that skips government run public school is a hero in my opinion.They need to be encouraged. If they skip enough school they might actually become intelligent.

If the kids get trapped in public school for any lenght of time there is no way they will graduate with the ability to read there diplomas or make change for a dollar if an item costs 1 cent but they will be ble to put a condom on on a banana which doesnt even work anyway.One of my friends got straight a's in his sex ed classes and knew how to put a condom on a banana with the best of them and he did every time he had sex and even after putting a condom on a banana every time without fail before sex he has 4 kids and hes caught three stds the nea is lying to you all codoms dont work

[moog]

I hear you. But it looks like you were doing most of the worrying moog. If there'd been less intervention on your part, the example of a few could have been an example for all. You sound like you love your job.

Actually, I worry because I care about the kids and because I am accountable for teaching them how to read, write, and do math at least at school. I didn't go excessive on the intervention at all. It showed that parent that I did care if she was at school or not and she did appreciate that as I have found that most do.

As far as an example of a few being an example for many, that already occurs.

I do keep in close contact with most parents and am famous for making deliveries of papers and such every once in a great while. I try not to be too intrusive though and don't tell anyone how to "do their job." One mom thought it was strange that she had gotten 2 calls and had a couple of workbooks dropped off in the first week. She talked to a couple of neighbors and they just laughed. "That's just Mr. _______ showing that he cares about your kid." The parents actually appreciate knowing what's going on in class and how their kids are doing. For me, I've always just thought that was part of teaching.

I do love my job and work my butt off. But I have the most wonderful job a teacher could have. I learn a lot from the parents every year which will help me when I am able to have my own kid someday.

[Iris7]

Would not be so repellent if the kids concerned were actually being educated in those "public schools".

[Caipirabob]

There was one particularly excellent teacher who stood by me in my "darkest hours". I still pray for his soul today (passed on due to cancer.) Turned my bevahior around and ended up doing pretty darn well. I'm sure there are students out there who pray for you. As representative of one of those students, thanks.

[Smokin' Joe]

Bananas don't need a little slack at the end...

[moog]

That was sixth grade. I had an excellent teacher, but was a pretty rambunctious kid, despite successful efforts to harness a lot of that energy, and was in good company. Both the teacher and principal should have been named as saints, imho, for the way they handled the lot of us. My folks did actively participate in me getting punished, and I spent a lot of time in trouble. God bless Mom and Dad for all they put up with. Thanks to them I have turned out pretty well. BTW, that was one of the best schools I went to (of seven, by the time I graduated High School), and the best public school. That's how my high school was too. My high school principal was superb. He dealt with the truant situations pretty well (he was a general in the Army reserves). I've never heard an unkind word said about him by anyone who knew him.

Yes, it's those moms and dads that put up with a lot. I know mine did. I was their experiment, being the oldest. I guess they took a while getting it right, because they had seven more:).

It was nice to see that almost every one of my classmates who came to my high school reunion a few years ago had turned out pretty good. It's been good for my mom to see her kids turn out to be "good" too--firm in their faiths, families, and jobs. Pleasing dear old mom is always foremost in our minds.

[moog]

"There was one particularly excellent teacher who stood by me in my "darkest hours". I still pray for his soul today (passed on due to cancer.) Turned my bevahior around and ended up doing pretty darn well. I'm sure there are students out there who pray for you. As representative of one of those students, thanks."

Actually, I think I have a LOT of people praying for me. There's absolutely no reasonable explanation for some of the good things I see happen. It's certainly not me. Sometimes I think it's the prayers of the little ones themselves. This one told his mom, "Mom, it's my turn to pray today, your prayers aren't working." He had been struggling a little in reading. From that day on, he took off. Same with another girl. She was reading well (a fourth grade level), but had stayed there for a little while and was getting frustrated. Her mom said maybe she should pray a little harder. She prayed really hard that night. The next day she tested at a whole grade level higher. The faith of these little ones humbles me.

Thank you for your kind words.

[moog]

"But now we have districts who, because THEY ARE LOSING MONEY, are taking families to court and putting people in jail. This is wrongheaded."

I can't judge where the personal responsibility and parenting haven't been there always. Plus there are different perspectives. I agree with you here. I haven't seen this type of situation personally though, so I'm not an expert on it.

There is still the no child's behind left act that requires 95% attendance which I think is just as much a force. I seem to recall reading about one school that passed all the academic criteria with flying colors, but had 94.6% attendance and therefore got flagged.

The money situation can mean larger class sizes, cutting teachers, etc. even well after a school year starts at times. We had a teacher that lost her job midyear once and the kids had to be divided up among 3 other classes.

I do pretty much agree with you though.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

We're on the same page moog.

We want children well educated.

[moog]

We're on the same page moog. We want children well educated.

Amen to that. I always appreciate your perspectives and learn and adapt from them. I'm lucky in that I get to learn a lot from a lot of different people.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Me too.

[moog]

:) My turn to smile :)) (I have a double chin)

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Ha! Ha! Ha!

[MaxMax]

Looks like the Family court system. has a new styled money generator.

F-That!

How are two parents working supposed to police Teenagers?
Especially since whooping their BUTT'S lands you in court also?

Do these F-N judges think Everyone is rich accept for them?

AHHH!!!!!!!!

Stop having kids or become MUSLIM! *&%$(&#^$!@(&%_&*@!#

[ohhhh]

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Along with the Supreme Court private property theft decisions and the supression of Christianty and the taking away of freedoms, I'd say we have lost America.

[I_dmc]

I wonder when the masses will notice that their local governments, unable to get tax increases to fly, more and more are turning to the collection of fines to finance ever larger government?