Posted on 03/06/2007 8:01:58 PM PST by blam
Some archaeologists think the Scots are of the same origin as the Scythians. These tall, blond and red-haired, Caucasians supposedly wandered from the Black Sea area westwards to Scotland and Ireland, conquering the Black Irish they found there and driving them into the far wesern counties of Ireland. It certainly stands to reason that some of them wandered east instead of west.
-ccm
BTW, genetic studies done by Bryan Sykes and Stephen Oppenheimer does not reveal anyone that could be 'dubbed' Black anything. Sykes says he has found a small DNA cluster in Scotland that may represent the Picts but even that DNA is not far removed from all other DNA in the British Isles. Another small cluster he found in England may represent the Romans from the Roman occupation.
There is some DNA support for the Scythian presence in northern Europe and a trail leading into the British Isles across the North Sea.
“I spent six months in Sweden last year doing nothing but genetic research,”
hmmmmm.......
“It is unfortunate that the issue has been so politicized because it has created a lot of difficulties...It would be better for everyone to approach this from a purely scientific and historical perspective.”"
Yeah, they should follow our example in the U.S. with Kennewick Man, LOL. Seems like those damned Caucasians are troublemakers the world over.
Lieutenant, fetch your explosives.
We're going to seal up the cave.
Yes, sir.
Seal the cave?
That is correct.
And you will both stand trial for heresy.
But the proof! The doll!
In a few minutes there will be no doll...
"So how did the Jews go 1063 years without Chinese food?"
Yeah! Especially on CHRISTMAS!
This is very interesting in light of yesterday's post revealing the DNA evidence that the inhabitants of the British Isles are remarkably uniform in ancestry - and came up from Spain at the end of the last ice age.
Thanks for the ping. Fascinating.
The Spanish DNA link is interesting because it links up with a far older legend - that of the "Milesian Race". One of the titles the Irish have for themselves is that of being "The Milesian Race", after Miletus of Spain whom, according to the Irish legends about themselves, came to Ireland by boat with the Irish people. When he got there, Ireland was already peopled by two very different races: the small, dark Firbolgs (think Basques and other proto, pre-Celtic West-Europeans), and the tall, fair Tuatha da Danann, who, legend says, came down from the sky and, in the face of the Milesian invasion, resisted for awhile but then retreated into the woods and now live "under the hills". Obviously the Firbolgs devolved into the leprechauns of legend, and the Tuatha da Dannan evolved into the fairies and the Elves, also of legend.
But here we have, once again, a very, very ancient myth of a people about itself, which turns out in some basic ways to be true. The Celts who took over Ireland from the small, round-headed, dark-haired race that preceded them apparently DID come up from a Spanish vector.
A similar ancient legend which has the whiff of truth to it is the legends that the Chippewa, Ottawa and Potawotomi peoples - the "Three Fires People" of the Great Lakes - have about themselves. Their legends, recorded when the French missionaries penetrated deep into the Michigan wilds in the 1600s, were that they originally lived, in ages past, by a great Eastern Sea, the sea of the sunrise. They lived in marshy estuaries on shellfish and on wild marine plants. But then a catastrophe came and the sea rose, rapidly, and inundated all the land and did not recede. First came a great wave, which destroyed much and killed many, but then the ocean rose and rose and rose, and they fled for their lives inland. The Great Spirit sent them signs and visions that they were to go west, into the dark forest, until they came to a place of great lakes: Michi Gana, where wild rice grew abundantly and where there were seabirds. And they were to settle there, in the land promised to them, and live on the wild rice and the sea birds and other creatures.
That is the Ojibwe and Odawa and Potawodami legend of where they came from. I believe that it captures a distant memory of the floods of the East Coast by the swiftly rising seas at the end of the last great ice age. I think, even, that it contains in it the racial memory of the sudden collapse of the sand bar that used to separate Long Island Sound, which was once a fresh water lake, from the Ocean. The Naragannsett and Pequot tribes of the East, whose languages are closely related to the Chippewa but not related at all to the intervening Iroquois that separate the Eastern Algonquian languaged peoples from the Great Lakes Algonquian-languaged peoples, have the identical flood legend. They do not, however, have the additional story of the great migration into the dark forest, eastwards to the Great Lakes of wild rice.
In a nutshell, I myself think all three of these legends are true. The Irish DID come from the mixture of Celts with non-Indo-Europeans who were there already...and DID come from Spain. The Three Fires People DID migrate to the inland seas when the former inland sea of Long Island Sound became a bay of the ocean, in a catastrophic end-of-Ice-Age flooding event. I see no reason at all to doubt any of these legends, any more than there is a real reason to doubt the Jewish legends of where they came from (Mesopotamia AND Egypt, at various people), recorded as their legendary accounts of themselves, and of the origins of all mankind before them, in Genesis.
LOL-LOL-LOL!
Blam posts about Sundaland, the now submerged continental shelf in Southeast Asia that appears to have been the principal lifeboat for Homo Sapiens during the last glacial period. Bible bashers take it as an article of faith that the Flood story in Genesis is wrong, but it turns out to be very much grounded in fact and in the history of the human race.
Now that we have the technology, it will be fascinating to see what is found in now submerged sites from our ancient prehistory.
I agree.
Obviously I think that the part of the whole world being under deep water, even over Mt. Everest, is the mythical part of Genesis, but a great, devastating flood at the end of the last Ice Age, which marked all littoral peoples in the whole world? That clearly happened, and their legends, from Genesis and Gilgamesh to the Chippewa, show it. The underwater cities prove it.
Of course, if they end up finding the Grey Havens in a valley on the Continental Shelf off Western Ireland, or Alvin comes up off the Mid-Atlantic Ridge with pottery shards from Numenor, I WILL start to fidget and pinch myself and look for the dream to end.
LOL! You and me both.
On the other hand, I may be walking fdown the beach one night and find a Silmaril...
Huh? Are you implying the Lord of the Rings trilogy isn't historically accurate???
Of course it's based on truth! Just look at the maps of the continental shelves! It's Beleriand down under there, I'm tellin' ya!
Trouble is, if I found one of the two lost Silmarils (the one in the earth, or the one cast into the sea), what then? Everybody'd try to kill me to seize it. The government would steal it.
No, finding a Ring of Power would be better.
Be careful what you wish for!
Ok.
God, I don't need a Ring of Power.
Please just let me win the Powerball.
That should be easier.
Thanks for listening.
Amen.
Thanks, blam.
I read somewhere that the Japanese might have originally been Caucasians, who intermarried with the Mongol tribes there. Considering the Caucasoid features of the Polynesians, there is additional evidence to support the idea that Caucasian types were pretty much around there.
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There is a paper due to be published next month that will say Kennewick Man is Ainu.
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