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India, China object to Bali U.N. climate draft ("This is completely unacceptable")
Yahoo ^ | 12/14/07

Posted on 12/14/2007 7:57:52 PM PST by Libloather

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To: george76

Bingo


21 posted on 12/14/2007 8:25:08 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Liaison

Did the Aussies sign this S#!T?


22 posted on 12/14/2007 8:25:56 PM PST by jaz.357 (“O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us!”)
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To: Liaison
"Sorry, the Aussies signed the Kyoto Treaty in the last couple of weeks as one of the first items on the agenda of the new government there."

Idiots.

Not that it means much, since it is a worthless, unenforceable and soon to expire document anyway. In Canada, Steven Harper UN-signed it. Even though he's the best prime minister Canada has had in decades, the UN mobilized all their minions in protest, media is attacking him.

But, he'll win the next election. There are a lot of happy Canadians glad he turfed Kyoto

23 posted on 12/14/2007 8:30:52 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Liaison
Sorry, the Aussies signed the Kyoto Treaty in the last couple of weeks as one of the first items on the agenda of the new government there.

Kyoto is so - 90's? Even the newly elected socialist caved...

Kevin Rudd recoils from climate change pledge (Australia backs out of Bali)
Herald Sun ^ | 12/07/07 | Peter Jean
Posted on 12/07/2007 1:53:02 PM EST by Libloather

Kevin Rudd recoils from climate change pledge
Peter Jean
December 07, 2007 12:00am

PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd last night did an about-face on deep cuts to greenhouse gas emissions, days after Australia's delegation backed the plan at the climate talks in Bali.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936259/posts

24 posted on 12/14/2007 8:31:12 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: Nathan Zachary
It\s about a massive transfer of wealth, which is why all these turd world dictators are so hungry for it.

Except they aren't. China and India are making money themselves these days. It should be blindingly obvious to everyone that India and China are not going to curb carbon emissions at the cost of their own progress. They're going to raise objection after objection and make ever more outrageous demands until the Bali negotiations are scuttled. That's what's going on here - a few million or even a few billion from the US is chicken feed to them these days.
25 posted on 12/14/2007 8:33:45 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Libloather; Zhang Fei

It would be economic suicide for India to sign the Kyoto treaty which wants to equate the emissions of a country the size of India, with another state the size of Singapore. You can’t expect India to have the same CO2 emissions as Singapore. India is ready for a per-capita cap. In other words, screw Global Warming. If the coasts swell, let’s move inland.

When it’s a per-capita emission limit based treaty, there will be some movement on this. Otherwise it should be a definite and clear ‘no’ from India.


26 posted on 12/14/2007 8:36:16 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Yes you're right about China and India.

I meant all the other turd world dictators- from N/S Africa, Islamic crap holes, and poorer EU countries who all hope to beefit.

27 posted on 12/14/2007 8:38:46 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: jaz.357
Did the Aussies sign this S#!T?

Nope. The Aussies walked away from this S#!T!

28 posted on 12/14/2007 8:39:05 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: Libloather

What a complete and abysmal waste of time the UN is, and particularly on this faux man-made global warming, or climate change, or “coldest winter in 20 years,” or hotter magma, or whatever the heck they’re calling it today.


29 posted on 12/14/2007 8:40:36 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: Libloather
[If approved, a draft decision would launch two years of talks on a sweeping new long-term treaty to involve all nations and succeed the U.N.’s Kyoto Protocol.]

It won’t “involve all nations” any more than Kyoto does. The Chinese and Indians couldn’t adhere to this thing if they wanted to. And the U.S. Senate doesn't have to either.

30 posted on 12/14/2007 8:49:53 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Libloather

IT is a shakedown. I heard that a international green program that pays for the destruction of “bad carbon” and other toxic chemicals exists and that countries like china and India who can make billions form not doing a dang thing to stop making the toxins so they can continue to destroy these wastes for the money. its a international scam at its finest.


31 posted on 12/14/2007 8:52:52 PM PST by Liaison
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To: Nathan Zachary

The global warming hysteria is about more than money. It is a perfect storm of religious environmentalism, opportunists seeking to profit, US hatred, and Marxist opportunists seeking power unlimited power. Global warming hysteria is a powerful combination that will be difficult to stop. Bush’s compromise will just provide more encouragement to this madness.


32 posted on 12/14/2007 8:54:27 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Libloather
U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions Declined 1.5 Percent in 2006

Total U.S. greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions were 7,075.6 million metric tons carbon dioxide equivalent (MMTCO2e) in 2006, a decrease of 1.5 percent from the 2005 level according to Emissions of Greenhouse Gases in the United States 2006, a report released today by the Energy Information Administration (EIA). Since 1990, U.S. GHG emissions have grown at an average annual rate of 0.9 percent. The 2006 emissions decrease is only the third decline in annual emissions since 1990.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/press/press291.html

33 posted on 12/14/2007 8:57:53 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Libloather
NEWSWEEK: AL GORE NOW WORTH MORE THAN $100 MILLION

[Since 2000, according to published reports, the former veep has transformed himself from a public servant with around $1 million in the bank to a sparkling private consultant with a net worth estimated to be north of $100 million. He’s a senior adviser to Google, a board member at Apple and now a newly minted general partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, the Silicon Valley venture-capital firm that made billions investing early in Netscape, Amazon and Google.]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/71011

34 posted on 12/14/2007 9:00:41 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: jaz.357

Yes when the Howard government was removed in the last election they signed kyoto:

http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/international/kyoto/index.html

Direct from the Aussie government website.


35 posted on 12/14/2007 9:01:15 PM PST by Liaison
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To: Libloather

It is interesting that PM Rudd backed out Bali after signing Kyoto. He had to insure his campaign promise was kept to the green hordes in the country by signing the Kyoto treaty. Seems he realizes the politics of the situation but he does not really want to destroy the economic boom that Australia has been enjoying. Kyoto is pretty much a paper tiger as a treaty and will not effect national growth since few countries that have signed Kyoto have lived up to the treaty. Only the poor countries have and mostly in Africa.


36 posted on 12/14/2007 9:21:22 PM PST by Liaison
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To: Liaison; jaz.357; Nathan Zachary
Yes when the Howard government was removed in the last election they signed kyoto:

Kyoto expires soon. No big deal. The Australians are wise to the Bali hoax (after getting their minds right by the public and electric companies) and have backed out. Good for them.

37 posted on 12/14/2007 9:23:49 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: Libloather
Why is this surprising? This is about money redistribution. What are the odds that our dems and even our own businessmen will find a way to give China a pass?

The West is gonna pay it all if this thing ever does fly.

38 posted on 12/14/2007 9:28:35 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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What a complete and abysmal waste of time the UN is...

They were in charge of that 100% corrupt oil-for-food program - no?

39 posted on 12/14/2007 9:29:47 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: Earthdweller; MurryMom
...if this thing ever does fly.

If we're in the middle of a cooling period, who would we rely on for that information? Algore? No thanks...

40 posted on 12/14/2007 9:34:16 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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