How did the '60's kids end up so messed up?

2/13/09 | sldghmr300

[1010RD]

Eva, that is my point exactly. The perception creates the reality and the rule. It only takes a minority to influence the majority and the left started doing that early on. The entire perception of America was under attack and it became the predominant view.

Look at the “classics” of 20th century literature are propounded by English Lit. profs. It is all broken-toy literature. Sexualized, mentally ill participants struggling in a society that isn't aware it is living in cognitive dissonance. It wasn't done to inform, but to tear down the basic institutions of the American Revolution - God and family.

Saps got drafted, blue-collar dopes. Those are the stereotypes perpetuated by the Left. America is bad to the world, bad to its citizens, minorities, women, etc. It was a premeditated attack against what we stand for.

Perception is the key. How many kids saw Animal House and figured that was college from time immemorial to today? It wasn't, but much of college has become sexual hooking up, loose standards and morals and binge drinking and drug use.

I don't know why readers don't understand these posts. It is not a fight between generations at all, but between ideas, ideologies and the control of minds. So far the Left is winning and has been since pre-WWI.

[1010RD]

It started with the Prussian concept of Kindergarten (literally child garden) and their belief that parents were the problem and the state could raise children better and make better children. The idea of the uberkinder is where it all started.

Read John Taylor Gatto for an excellent history of education.

Concerned Protestants took it to the next level and created our modern forced government education. It was bound to go down hill and be abused. It is government.

The very thing the Founders feared.

[1010RD]

I was replying to 237 by Eva and I do agree with her. I don't know what she is not agreeing with on my 242, but the media worked hard to create the impression (the thing I thought Eva was talking about) that saps got drafted, the “smart-set” went to college, and that cowardice (in the face of an unjust war) was a good thing and even more patriotic than volunteering. All Leftist lies, of course.

You'd be hard pressed to find a fair media assessment of the Vietnam War at all. Maybe John Wayne's The Green Berets, but from the news to the movies the media painted the worst picture possible and is still trying to destroy the idea of America.

What is the disagreement? I've actually stopped following this thread, until I got a post tonight.

[1010RD]

So you'd exclude the Founding Fathers and all they sacrificed; their lives and fortunes to make a country? Calling any American generation the greatest is the height of arrogance.

I am not waging a generational war, like some here. I seem to have stepped on that landmine by accident. I think that is just as stupid.

We are talking about ideas. The bad ideas that we suffer from today were planted over a century ago. They are coming to full fruition and have most to do with our education establishment which works as a fifth column against God, country and family.

That is my point. Not playing the game of who is best. OK?

[ffusco]

OK. I admit that I don’t know enough about the Founding fathers. I’m mainly concerned with modern history, of which I have some context.

[1010RD]

not some...caricature...

You are right. All this inter generational bickering is counterproductive. No one generation is to blame for the good or the bad we face today.

Attempts to paint that picture are foolish and border on bigotry.

The real fight is in the realm of ideas. We need to reclaim the best ideas of the American Revolution - particularly individual liberty - if we are to win.

The bad ideas we face today were laid down long before America existed.

[gost2]

This has happened before in this nation. The Gay Nineties. The Roaring Twenties. People are just bent. Guess we need a good war to knock off a few dozen million folks and bring the rest of us round to reality. Course the next one could very well be the last.

[1010RD]

For the education system look up Gatto. As to the history - Hamilton beat the ideas of Jefferson. America became an industrial and banking nation and slowly lost its agrarian roots. Not altogether a bad thing and the reason we became so great (that and low/no taxes/regulation of the 19th century).

Losing our agrarian roots and gaining Federalism (of which we now suffer an excess) meant losing some of our religious notions and our individual liberty. America is out of balance, yet it is still the most religious (we take it seriously) of all the industrialized nations. Conservatives out birth Liberals and practicing liberals are literally driving themselves to extinction.

If they didn't have such a firm handle on the media and schools they'd never be taken seriously. I mean PETA protests at McDonald's and that is news? Think of all the stories discussed here on FR and given short shrift in the “serious” news outlets.

[1010RD]

You are right. Sodom comes to mind if we need more human history to prove your point. Nothing super new about this.

Hope we scrape it out and keep our Republic. Reality helps focus the mind, no?

[ffusco]

Societies progress from agraian farmer/soldiers to a lazy middle ( see Rome). The loss of piety is largely due to the seduction of media, tv and movies and piety being seen as the block to progress.

[Eva]

I don’t know I remember the thread, but I’m not sure what I was disagreeing with. I think that I was saying that it was all a false perception and I thought that you thought I was saying it was real.

It’s strange, I look back on those days and I feel like I was an outsider, looking in. I wasn’t very political, and I didn’t trust politicians. I have a deep seated mistrust of authority.