Posted on 12/06/2022 4:38:39 AM PST by Lazamataz
Thanks for this excellent post… it defines the dichotomy of the two schools of thoughts and opinion very well.
However, you lost me when you got to this point… “There is absolutely no reason he should have stepped into this one.” He didn’t step into anything… he basically has laid out the ‘problem’ for citizens in the stark terms that it demands. The DemRats and their unholy alliance with the Enemedia and FIB have taken the country into the uncharted waters which go beyond the scope of any remedy that could be dealt with in the Constitution. As John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Essentially what PDJT said is “this is where the country has been taken and it requires a remedy…. you need to think very hard about what needs to be done about it.” That’s all.... PDJT has put it all right in front of people’s noses and forced the issue to be reckoned with.
Very interesting take on it. I appreciate your point of view.
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Trump’s actions are worth the focus.
His regard for the Constitution is unwavering. It’s not Trump that will trample on it.
It’s the smooth talkers who will smash my valuables.
You spelled it wrong. It’s SLYDEXIA.
Absolutely true.
Trump never seems to learn how to behave around the press and their sheep who will misinterpret his words.
We’d be disappointed in him if he did. They’re the ones who hate the constitution, not him.
I thought the greater mistake was the suggestion that he be reinstated to office as that would limit him to far too little time to address the massive amount of damage the usurpers have wrought since they screwed him out of office. Far better to get a full term with the upcoming election.
If we get an election.
From a great article posted earlier and apropos for this post.
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The article:
Di Leo: Clumsy but Correct - President Trump and the Challenge of Restitution
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4114202/posts
Excerpt:
“We share news articles with our friends on Twitter and Facebook, and we learn about them through searches. Banning it like this meant that the NY Post story could effectively go no further than the Post’s original subscribers and newsstand buyers.
For another news source, this is journalistic malpractice – malevolent and anti-American – but it’s not illegal.
But if it was done at the behest of a political campaign and its supporters in the federal government, then it’s a crime – a violation of everything from the Hatch Act to the First Amendment.
And what Elon Musk provided to Matt Taibbi on Friday was indeed incredible proof – in writing, with time stamps and electronic signatures – of just such criminal collusion.
The Twitter Files include evidence of collaboration in which political actors – both in government and outside it but trying to get in – successfully pressured Twitter to serve as an end run around free speech: The government could not stop the Post from publishing the article, but the government could and did convince Twitter (and, presumably, the others) to squash it as well.
Elon Musk is no fool. He understands American law as well as anybody, and reminded his Twitter followers that if it’s unconstitutional for the government to suppress people’s political speech, then by extension, it’s just as unconstitutional for the government to use its power to coerce private publishers into suppressing people’s political speech.
Just because there’s a middleman doesn’t make it any less of a crime. In fact, some might say it makes it even more of one.
So this weekend, once again, just like in October, 2020, there was a massive story, revealing anti-American criminality by the Biden family and the Democratic Party. And once again, just like in October, 2020, it sank like a dead weight.
This story is hundreds of times bigger, by any objective measure, than the miniscule crimes at the heart of the Watergate scandal, but this was buried by the press. The major networks didn’t even mention it; America’s mainstream print media didn’t report on it. If you didn’t watch Fox News or one of the other stations with overwhelmingly Republican viewers last weekend, you’d never know this huge reveal happened at all.
The biggest news story of the year was buried by the mass media, because it showed the criminality of the Democrats, and it proved that Republicans have been right in all our allegations, all along.
President Trump recognized this, and furiously tweeted about it, rightly demanding that America recognize the elephant in the room, and deal with it:
An election was stolen, in numerous, almost countless ways, in the fall of 2020. Because of the secret ballot, it’s impossible to truly audit the election; nobody can prove definitively one way or the other exactly how many legitimate votes either candidate received. But there has long been proof – from the evidence of ballot harvesting to intentional interruption of the chain of custody of ballots in battleground states, from nonresidents being outright encouraged to register from friends’ houses in Georgia to stacks of claimed addresses being proven to be nonexistent after the election in Pennsylvania – that there was ample opportunity for enough massive fraud to more than flip the elections, not only of the presidency but of a host of races downballot as well.
And now the President sees further criminality – the illegal suppression of pro-Republican news stories at the behest of federal employees, two weeks before an election – and he understandably turns to social media himself to call it out.
President Trump’s basic point is so clear it shouldn’t even require repeating: how much undeniable proof does it take for America to right a wrong?”
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Laz wrote:
“I love President Trump’s actions as president! He was amazing in just about every way, doing so well that I feel his performance exceeded Ronald Reagans.”
I could not agree more with this statement.
God bless and protect President Trump, this nation and the whole world. Amen.
Laz wrote:
“I would expect the man to be much more articulate and careful. I’d expect him to re-read every post, trying to predict how he’d be misquoted or misinterpreted. There is absolutely no reason he should have stepped into this one.”
It wouldn’t have mattered what he wrote, everything President Trump says will be twisted to evil by the anti-Americans.
He understands that and it should be noted that the way he wrote it certainly amplified the story behind the writing.
It is quite possible that the crooked are going to shoot themselves in the foot on this one. They can’t bury something they’re so intent on using as a club to beat President Trump with.
And, with Twitter not aiding and abetting our corrupt anti-Americans, more people will now see the truth of it all.
I’m looking forward to it all.
And as for his recent Constitution comments...it's easy to see why he's so angry. Musk has now confirmed what many already assumed...Rat Party hacks at the Department of Just Us were coaching Facebook,Twitter,etc on how to deal with info that THEY KNEW was true. But despite that I would have advised DJT to use words like "despicable" and "felonious" but not the word "Constitution". And if he asked me why I would have said "because it would be so very easy for the Amazon Compost,MSLSD and Steffie Stephanopolous to twist your words in a way that would damage you horribly in the minds of "independents" who voted for you in 2016".
Um, no.
You damned well know better.
Only a dumbass or democrat interprets it as against the Constitution.
This is what the Left and Deep State do. They are going to deliberately misinterpret what someone like Trump says, and if the deliberate misinterpretation does not suffice, they will simply outright lie.
They know they will not be called out.
And they know the lie will travel around the world before the truth gets its pants on.
They will treat any number of Republicans with faux deference and seeming respect if they speak out against Trump. They will make those politicians out to be the pinnacle of reason, and the paragons of virtue.
And once they have destroyed Trump, if they succeed at that goal, and DeSantis or any number of Republicans obtain the 2024 nomination for the candicacy, they will pivot on a dime, and heap the same slanders and deliberate misinterpretations of statements onto them.
We should be less concerned about how the Left interprets Trump, and more concerned about the validity of his statement even if the verbiage is either clumsy or open to misinterpretation.
It is clear to me that Trump's statement resounded with the principles outlined in the Declaration of Independence, not with the principles of a Tyrant wishing to obtain and hold power.
The Left has determined that they can twist, fold, bend, spindle, and mutilate the Constitution, and there are not going to be any ramifications.
When a large proportion of the country not only fails to recognize the limits imposed by the Constitution, and there are no ramifications, we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic.
We agree as Americans to be governed under this Constitution if two conditions are met:
Those two things constitute a sacred covenant.
And they are not being met. They have not been for some time.
Trump is exactly right on this. People just cannot face the truth.
I know you and I disagree on Trump, as I do with many Freepers. But this isn't pro-this-person or anti-that-person.
This is just stating the reality of where we are, and I think we are making a grave mistake by not acknowledging this reality as Trump did, however clumsily some perceive it.
The trouble is he is smashing the crockery that belongs to both wings of the uniparty and they hate him. He's the one who made the fraud necessary in the first place. And so the fraud was justifiable. To save the Constitooshun.
In his first TS post, Trump wrote “allows” (present tense) not “allowed” (past tense). He’s clearly demanding to be declared the rightful winner or else hold a new election, neither of which is allowed under our Constitution or present laws. Seems pretty clear to me he meant what he said:
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“So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” [Dec 03, 2022, 7:44 AM]
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If he meant “allowed” and meant the crooked Dems had scrapped the Constitution, why didn’t he clarify and say so, especially given all the uproar? But he didn’t. He doubled down:
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“UNPRECEDENTED FRAUD REQUIRES UNPRECEDENTED CURE!” [Dec 03, 2022, 3:44 PM]
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And then he continued to double down:
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“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS. What I said was that when there is “MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,” as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG. Only FOOLS would disagree with that and accept STOLEN ELECTIONS. MAGA!” [Dec 05, 2022, 12:43 PM]
“SIMPLY PUT, IF AN ELECTION IS IRREFUTABLY FRAUDULENT, IT SHOULD GO TO THE RIGHTFUL WINNER OR, AT A MINIMUM, BE REDONE. WHERE OPEN AND BLATANT FRAUD IS INVOLVED, THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME LIMIT FOR CHANGE!” [Dec 05, 2022, 1:06 PM]
“WE WANT PEOPLE WHO “LEGITIMATELY” WON THE ELECTION TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY, NOT PEOPLE WHO HAD TO CHEAT IN ORDER TO WIN!!!” [Dec 05, 2022, 1:51 PM]
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The trouble is, there is no Constitutional path to install him as “the rightful winner”. And no path to holding a redo of a presidential election, either, which Trump says is his second choice. The Electors voted, the votes were duly counted and recorded. End of story, according to the Constitution (which makes no mention of a popular presidential election).
So what are we supposed to do, given there is no Constitutional remedy? There’s always a new Declaration, but who is going to “take up arms?” as Jefferson said? The Founding Fathers knew they had to muster up an army “and hang together or they would surely hang apart”. For sedition. I don’t see any army of angry citizens forming. Not even a mob with torches and pitchforks.
NB! I am in no way suggesting anyone take up arms! Far from it!
It’s hard to wrap one’s head around the fact that Trump is demanding an extra-Constitutional solution, but there it is in his own words. It’s so tempting to “fix it” in our minds and interpret it as you and others have done, but it seems to me it is what it is, as unbelievable as it is.
If he ever comes out with a clarification and assures us he meant it as you said, it was still colossally stupid. For one thing, the Dems will still use it to brand him “a danger to democracy”, and cry “insurrection” and “sedition” and “fascist”. For another, the timing: Musk had just handed Trump a big shiny gift all tied up with a pretty bow. It had crowded out the hoopla over the stupid Kanye stunt. It should have been the talk of the net and the talking heads (in the conservative media, at least, and they should have been throwing a party). But Trump threw that hunk of excrement into the punch bowl and distracted from the Twitter revelations instead.
And speaking of accusations of “insurrection” and “sedition”, Trump has now thrown the Jan6 protesters under the bus. The Dems can now say “See? We told you so. Overthrow of the government, insurrection, sedition!” And it will be nearly impossible to defend against those false accusations now.
Trump just keeps on keeping on shooting himself in both feet while supplying grenades to his enemies. I am done twisting myself into a pretzel to defend him. Sadly, at this point, I don’t think he is electable in the general in 2024 .
You can't have it both ways Laz.
I whole heartedly disagree with you regarding this opinion piece from you.
Those, like the idiot Mike Pence has repeatedly shown himself to be, are the ones I would have chosen to target for either their utter ignorance or total dishonesty, not Trump himself.
By focusing on President Trump, you have missed the true culprit here, and have instead joined the chorus who are assailing the president as if he were the one who is wrong with his staement.
While I usually enjoy your opinions, I am not enamored one single iota with this opinion piece you have penned.
Having been familiar with him since the late 1970s (I'm a former NYer and he was a popular fixture there), I know he's a stickler for detail. In fact, he's a perfectionist of the highest order when it comes to his buildings and to his lifestyle.
So, as regards his oft-suspected clumsiness, I have my doubts.
That would lead to the alternative. Is Trump using his recent Tweet about the Constitution for ulterior purposes? Like sniffing out fair-weather friends among his supporters and confidants.
That seems like a stretch, but with Trump, you never know. He's concurrently very clever and very naive. And sometimes he acts naive when he's being very clever (he's also an inveterate prankster).
So which is he this time?
What was left of the Constitution disappeared during the Coup and steal of 2020. It went over the heads of the sheep.
For me personally, I believe the first interpretation is the correct one. HOWEVER, like most of the time when he puts his foot in his mouth, it ultimately doesn't matter in terms of policy. When he says something whacked out or cringeworthy, it won't get enacted into law anyway, so why care? What he does is ultimately far more important than what he says In terms of a positive lasting legacy.
But the problem is that not all voters are as policy oriented as are most of us. To those swing voters, what a politician says, even if they are words that won't ever be translated into law, really matter. I know an increasing number of people who simply can't get past the statements they find offensive or problematic. They've made up their minds at this point, and simply will not vote for him in 2024, period.
That may be irrational, or against their own interests, but that is ultimately irrelevant because their vote counts the same regardless of whether we agree with their reasoning.
So I agree with you. He just can't win in 2024. So if we want to win, we're going to need to nominate someone else.
That the only way to remedy the situation so that the Constitution is neither abolished or nullified, is to either reinstate the true winner of the election, or to hold a second election.
Laz, you are really DEEP...and I love it.
As a young woman I dated a lot...I was NOT promiscuous...I even turned some guys around to be gentlemen, but I developed a sense of judgment of character of men.
Let me tell you, President Donald J Trump is an honest, stand-up, respectful, courteous guy who would be my example of a PERFECT GENTLEMAN.
Sincerely...Maris
Anyone who says differently is not being HONEST.
This is where I get confused since the second interpretation would logically lead to a civil war.
However the amount of government corruption is so high it does seem like a second revolution is the only way to restore our Constitutional Republic as founded.
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