Posted on 04/03/2023 7:20:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
When the dollar takes a swan dive that could provide a catalyst for states to leave and issue their own currency. Many countries currently appear to be abandoning the dollar.
This is certainly worth discussing, imo
It would help for you to post the part of the US Constitution that specifically prohibits state secession. Thanks in advance. I will wait. TTYL
They couldn't just exclude all Democrats from the jury pool, so they decided not to have a trial, which would probably have to have been held in Richmond, which was still thick with Democrats.
This would, on its face, seem to include the right of secession as being reserved to the States or the people.
No, a power to break with an agreement isn't a power under the agreement, or else why make the agreement to begin with. That's not to say that the union can't be dissolved, just that you can't break it at will and claim that you have a right to do so under the agreement.
Guess who DOESN’T have F-15s. Just sayin’.
If the parts of the Articles of Confederation not specifying how the Federal Government works and its powers are still in effect after 1791, then it’s still a perpetual union. The Constitution of 1789 does not specify the nature of the union or change its terms, only the powers of the Federal government and how it is elected. Ergo, the original terms of union still apply. Those are perpetual.
"The Threat of Secession in Modern America: Our government seems hell-bent on maintaining its power over the American people, even if doing so increases the chances of something truly ugly happening"
Why doesn't Texas state representative Bryan Slaton lead ALL the states to effectively “secede” from the unconstitutionally big federal government by repealing the 16th (direct taxes) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendments?
In recognition of his work, we'll name the amendment after him.
With 16&17A out of the way, my hope is that Trump 47 becomes the FIRST president of a truly constitutionally limited power federal government.
In fact, since unconstitutional (imo) Social Security, based on FDR era stolen state powers imo, is projected to run out of money by 2033 as a consequence of alleged Democratic and RINO criminal mismanagement of SS funds, please consider the following.
The sooner that 16&17A are repealed, putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes, the sooner that the states will find new revenues to establish their own SS programs, depending on what state social spending programs the legal majority citizen voters of a given state want.
Social Security trust fund on track to run out in 2033: analysis (3.31.23)
”Simply this, that the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Constitution, is in the States and not in the federal government [emphases added]. I have sought to effect no change in that respect in the Constitution of the country.” —John Bingham, Congressional. Globe. 1866, page 1292 (see top half of third column)
"[...] a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country." —Justice Louis Brandeis, Laboratories of Democracy.
The federal government is not supposed to have power over the people. The people were supposed to have power over the government. At least that’s what the founders thought
The Taliban didn’t have F-15’s either sport. Just sayin
And when F 15 start attacking Americans inside America, life might get interesting for the people who fly and maintain them and their families. You’re going to takeoff from Langley Air Force Base, run a mission over South Carolina and come home? If history is a guide, those pilots get home and open their mail and find a picture of their children coming out of a school with crosshairs on them. Fuel and food drivers going to the base the planes launch from find themselves in the category of “soft target”. NF 15 pilot at Nellis goes into a bar in Vegas and meet some nice woman. He goes to her hotel room and is he is dozing in postcoital bliss, she sells a 38 through his head. Turns out her brother got killed by an F 15 attack .The places that build the missiles, make the spare parts, rebuild the engines, are all in industrial parks here in America and are very unsecured. Maybe one morning as they’re driving into work they find four engineers hanging from the gate. That’s not some kind of threat, that’s exactly what happens everywhere else in the world when the government starts attacking its own people. It’s been repeated dozens of times in countries around the world. So attacking South Carolina with an F 15 makes sense to guys like Biden, but in reality, it doesn’t work out so well.
Guess who took the oath to defend our constitution form all enemies, both foreign and domestic? It would be foolhardy for the FJB cabal to think that the non-coms and enlisted (those who are not phony fairy soldiers in high heels) will just automatically follow their orders in lockstep. Let those scumbags in the WH find out the hard way.
*Agree to a unified defense against foreign wars…. And create a handful of republics (largely regional) that self govern.*
Been tried. The Articles of Confederation. Didn’t work then. Could it work today?
Oh yeah…, that’s another HUGE concern in margins that use the military against their own people. Half their military either walks away, or quietly feeds Intel to “a enemy”.
Again… happens everywhere.
Only a simpleton thinks the military could subdue America . Iraq is smaller than Texas and so is Afghanistan. Both tied us down for two decades and one defeated us. And you wanna take on all of America? Then for extra fun, you have to heavily crack down in civil wars against the non hostile population. This sets up a reverse reward system when hate for the government begins to spread. It’s a real pickle.
I’m sure the Rand Corporation has extensively studied this concept.
But the 149th TxANG unit at Lackland has F16s. They fly over my house regularly.
Colonel, USAF JAGCR (Ret)
So if we were saying that these terms of Perpetual Union are still in effect for the original 13 states, what about the other 37 states? Could they secede, since they were admitted to the union later?
It could work today. A lot of people on both sides want to rid themselves of the other….
Again, it would help for you to post the part of the US Constitution that specifically prohibits state secession. Thanks in advance. I will wait. TTYL
I just don't think there's a legal case to be made for secession. You can blame the drafters of the Articles for that and the Constitutional committee for not clarifying that.
I'm only arguing that like a statutory revision, unless a clause is explicitly repealed or redefined when the statute is amended, the old clause remains in effect. The Constitution of 1789 only gave us a new Federal government, not a new union, which is why the terms of union and secession were not addressed. The presumption is that the old terms from the Articles remain in effect.
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