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Not Sioux land: Understanding the fallacies behind Ben & Jerry’s ‘stolen ground’ tweet
The Hill ^ | 7/13/2023 | Jeff Fynn-Paul

Posted on 07/13/2023 12:49:27 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier

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To: The Old Hoosier
Refuting it logically point by point is falling into a trap. A total waste of time because they don't argue in good faith.

The purpose of B&J's pronouncement is to disenfranchise the working class and empower their own class.

21 posted on 07/13/2023 1:48:49 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: The Old Hoosier

The leftist elite rulers say they want us to give the land but really they want it for themselves. We would give it up to them and they would happily hold on to it while they try to locate the rightful owners. They won’t be able to find the rightful owners. They will then be able to keep it. They won’t give it back to us. Then they will stop talking about the original issue.


22 posted on 07/13/2023 1:49:29 PM PDT by webheart
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To: piytar

The little rats at The Hill rush to rescue B & J’’s.


23 posted on 07/13/2023 1:51:35 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: nomorelurker

And the Apaches fought with other groups, or bands of Apaches. Which is how the US Army finally subdued them, by befriending various Apache groups with grievances against other groups.


24 posted on 07/13/2023 1:56:12 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: The Old Hoosier

The Fort Laramie treaty of 1868, assuming it was ratified by the US Senate, is US law under the US constitution.

So it’s not about whether the Sioux were nice people (they weren’t), it’s about upholding our own laws, which we don’t seem to be too good at.


25 posted on 07/13/2023 1:56:51 PM PDT by devere
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To: hinckley buzzard

Just sneakier.


26 posted on 07/13/2023 2:16:53 PM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: piytar

This is all part of the original UN Agenda 21. If people remember, they had drawn up plans to get the white men off of the rural land, west of the Mississippi and herd the Whites into urban Planned Cities, which would act as trade and travel hubs. The urban trade zones would be connected by what they called multi-modal transportation lines, which would be limited access and off-ramps. The idea was to limit the incursion of Whites into rural areas and return the land to the people to whom it rightfully belonged. Their plans even included an experimental, covered bio-sphere, where people would live and work.

They also planned to return all water rights, minerals rights, etc. They have already started on returning the water rights in Whatcom County, WA. They are more reticent about the natural gas, which is found in the area. They don’t want anyone pulling that out of the ground.


27 posted on 07/13/2023 2:21:14 PM PDT by Eva
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To: The Old Hoosier

How the tribes treated each other BEFORE the arrival of the White Man...And this is just my short list! I used to have many more which now lead to 404 Page Not Found, so it looks like someone is scrubbing many of these links from the Internet.

http://wkfl.asn.au/bk/crow_creek_history.htm

https://www.mountainscholar.org/handle/10217/68134?fbclid=IwAR38cGwhIx2pCTFde8nvFhlY0MOxy3TICGNWyW9hVhHahLAsOHhaPvAkPNc

https://strangesounds.org/2019/08/scary-archeology-genocide-pit-sacred-ridge-colorado.html?fbclid=IwAR2qNygXE-X0zy09cGWKwgnf5GD8rA0wIajRz5F2ih__HnFlv7vMojUzblE

https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/391703

https://soar.wichita.edu/bitstream/handle/10057/6098/t12010s_DAVIS_Ivy_SP2012.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=n

https://prezi.com/z9ioohxrdgat/anasazi-cannibalism/?fallback=1

https://bonesdontlie.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/basketmaker-ii-cave-7-massacre-or-cemetery/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1593823

https://www.archaeology.org/news/3645-150828-cahokia-mound-72

https://www.cityweekly.net/BuzzBlog/archives/2013/09/11/new-research-supports-theory-of-ancient-massacre-site-in-utah


28 posted on 07/13/2023 2:25:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Title by conquest is an ancient right.


29 posted on 07/13/2023 2:26:27 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: devere

Now wait. I saw Dances With Wolves. The Sioux were peace loving hippie Buddhists til the evil white man showed up. North America had peace and prosperity from sea to shining sea until the Europeans brought wheels and steel.


30 posted on 07/13/2023 2:44:36 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: piytar

Native Americans were human too.


31 posted on 07/13/2023 3:27:02 PM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness )
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To: The Old Hoosier

Just about every part of the world has histories of people displacing other people.

So what exactly is supposed to be done about this? We can recount the history of how Indian tribes were relocated off of land. But it sounds like a number of Indian tribes had conquered or displaced other Indian tribes .

Will we eventually see reparations paid to American Indians?

What exactly is the goal of people, who are bringing all this up ,and talking about injustices ,and how we need to somehow make up for the sins of History?


32 posted on 07/13/2023 3:44:12 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: The Old Hoosier

Ben in Jerry’s.


33 posted on 07/13/2023 3:44:45 PM PDT by Old Yeller
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To: escapefromboston

Exactly. I spent two years among various tribes in Alberta and Saskatchewan (Cree, Stoney, Sarcee, Blackfoot). I recall all of them saying people—including them—did not own the land. The “Great Spirit” owned the land. So Ben & Jerry stole their land from the “Great Spirit”.


34 posted on 07/13/2023 4:39:06 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: chajin

“So file a lawsiouxt”

ROFL!


35 posted on 07/13/2023 4:49:43 PM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Did the military/ government make a deal with the Crow or the Three Affiliated Tribes?
NO
The government made a deal with the Lakota


36 posted on 07/13/2023 5:24:56 PM PDT by South Dakota (Patriotism is the new terrorism )
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Did the military/ government make a deal with the Crow or the Three Affiliated Tribes?
NO
The government made a deal with the Lakota


37 posted on 07/13/2023 5:24:57 PM PDT by South Dakota (Patriotism is the new terrorism )
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To: The Old Hoosier

help protect gay ice cream


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