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The New Secession
New Criterion ^ | 13 Jul 2023 | James Piereson

Posted on 07/16/2023 11:54:03 AM PDT by oblomov

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The author bemoans the loss of national pride, but the US hasn't been a nation for a long time. Our institutions have done much in recent years to earn distrust.

"In such an event, the military might not have enough manpower to fight it—a large problem for a military superpower with global responsibilities. "

This assumption is part of the problem.

1 posted on 07/16/2023 11:54:03 AM PDT by oblomov
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America ceased to be a representative republic some time ago. It is an empire and a faltering one at that. With all that implies.


2 posted on 07/16/2023 11:58:51 AM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: oblomov

I’m not ceding anything to the foreign owned Democrat party.


3 posted on 07/16/2023 11:59:59 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: oblomov

They COULD have just started the article with -

“..The American people have watched how their politicians have absolutely wrecked our most perfect form of government…”


4 posted on 07/16/2023 12:01:19 PM PDT by joethedrummer (We can't vote our way out of this, folks..)
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The answer was no. That has long been settled.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. If the national popular vote replaces the electoral college, there's no reason to stay in this union.
5 posted on 07/16/2023 12:03:08 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Roberor thert Heinlein)
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I’m waiting for the refuse-to-file-tax-returns shoe to fall.


6 posted on 07/16/2023 12:03:14 PM PDT by Overtaxed (Stiff the Fed)
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These figures indicate a growing trend among Americans to “secede” from the national enterprise.


And this is as it should be. Centralized power was not the design by our founders.

This is a good trend for state and local. We need to get involved there.

But if we don’t get involved there as the centralized power declines, what will happen?

And yes, the centralized power declines as it runs out of money AND we begin to ignore it...................


7 posted on 07/16/2023 12:03:53 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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The left had already seceded from the USA.


8 posted on 07/16/2023 12:07:18 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! AMERICA FIRST! DEATH TO MARXISM AND GLOBALISM! )
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“Young Americans are no longer volunteering to serve in the military to the extent they did just a few years ago.”

That is partially the result of the vaccine mandate. The Commander-in-Chief forgot about his former belief in “my body, my choice”.

The Commander-in-Chief is known to be belligerent and to anger easily, which is not desirable from a soldier’s point of view.

There is also the belief that whites males have no likely future path in military service other than six feet downward into the dirt.


9 posted on 07/16/2023 12:14:30 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (ARTICLE I SECTION 2....The President...may require the opinion, in writing)
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“The army, for example, had to cut its active-duty strength because it failed to meet its recruiting goals by 25 percent. “

All I can say is UH OH.


10 posted on 07/16/2023 12:14:32 PM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: oblomov

If your government and govermental institutions at all levels actively hates you, i think that could cause some of the aforementioned problems.


11 posted on 07/16/2023 12:18:46 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Overtaxed

Many people will adjust their work schedules to reduce their incomes and to become eligible for PPACA handouts.

Outright unlawful tax dodging is unlikely.


12 posted on 07/16/2023 12:18:51 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (ARTICLE I SECTION 2....The President...may require the opinion, in writing)
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If worst comes to worst... the deal via which Texas entered the union has an escape clause. Kind of like the thing in the 50s movie “Damned Yankees” in which the devil, Ray Walston, is forced to include an escape clause in the deal giving the Washington Senators baseball team its long-ball hitter.


13 posted on 07/16/2023 12:20:07 PM PDT by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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“The American Civil War decided the question of whether states have a right to secede from the American Union. The answer was no.”

The hell you say. Just because the South conceded doesn’t mean the answer is no! Brute force, industrial base, and sheer numbers decided the matter. In the same fashion as we separated from England, any state(s) that want to split have a God given right to do so as enshrined in the Declaration of Independence. IMHO.


14 posted on 07/16/2023 12:23:54 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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I don’t think its settled.

I think you need untainted reasons to do so, so that your side will win. You can say all you want it was economics and representation, but ultimately, the South said they would not give up slavery.

Contrast to the Revolutionary war, where part of the decades long grievances, besides economic issues and representation issues, was that the King would not allow the colonies (that desired to, there were 7 at the end) to end slavery.


15 posted on 07/16/2023 12:30:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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I grew up watching a John Wayne movies. They instilled patriotism and sacrifice. Hollywood ow teaches cultural self loathing.


16 posted on 07/16/2023 12:37:12 PM PDT by STJPII ( )
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The American Civil War decided the question of whether states have a right to secede from the American Union.

That is a BALD-FACED lie!

What was decided was that the South lost the first round.

It ain't over 'till it's over!

It ain't over quite yet!

17 posted on 07/16/2023 12:45:33 PM PDT by icclearly
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The Civil War was a war between states in the sense that it was two professionally officered armies with centralized command and control.

Another civil war in modern times would not be anything like that. There would be regional tendencies but it would be small guerilla bands. In cities it might be ethnic cleansing at the neighborhood level. A war of all against all in the ruins of civilization.

18 posted on 07/16/2023 12:52:39 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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The left had already seceded from the USA.

To a large degree from the human race.

19 posted on 07/16/2023 12:54:26 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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It’s not a matter of having the “right” to leave the Union, it’s a matter of the Federal Government having the ability to stop it.

Does anyone really think the map of North America will remain exactly the same until the sun becomes a red giant and engulfs the earth?


20 posted on 07/16/2023 1:05:04 PM PDT by packagingguy
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