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Don’t rule out a Bill Clinton-style 1990s boom for the economy, UBS says
marketwatch ^ | 11/13/2023 | Joy Wiltermuth

Posted on 11/15/2023 8:33:44 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

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To: ChicagoConservative27
These financial drones have no idea what will take place any more than any of us with just a little education and data. None of that means you will be right at all though. Their advantage is that they are market makers and they see triggers much sooner than retail investors. By the time we see things that move the markets they are already baked in.

There is no perfect market, it does what it does, it goes up and down. Anyone who predicts is only right when they play and get lucky.

We do know when rates go up the market goes down and vice versa. We know the economy ebbs and flows in a cycle. When consumers get full they stop consuming for a bit. On it goes.

Clintoon had nothing to do with that boom. Reagan set it up for him, the bust of high inflation was beat and the economy had to recover. A recovery is not a boom, just a recovery. Obama never even had that.

Old money doesn't make money in a recovery, just the new money put in at the right time and waiting on growth. People that crow about growth in a recovery give me a royal pain in the ass. Until the markets get back to their previous peak there is no growth in the market. Saying anything else is either stupid or dishonest.

21 posted on 11/15/2023 9:00:49 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: 9422WMR

I’m a fan of the first half of Ted Kaczynski’s book.

It’s when he starts the idea of killing random people where he lost me.

In all seriousness, technology is clearly a double edged sword.
Essentially all knowledge is available on the internet, but people spend more time looking at whores and watching bum fights.
Social media is largely just a mental form of cancer.

I have zero social media, unless here counts.
Almost 100% of tv is gone from my life as well.
Moving towards just real life activities and reading books has helped my mind calm down, improved the ability to concentrate and clarify thoughts, and be more content.

Personally I have found that an important part of freedom is the freedom to not do things, not participate. Simplification/minimalism is a legit practice.


22 posted on 11/15/2023 9:01:38 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Tell It Right

Back then when the Republicans and Democrats disagreed, the government budget got frozen with no new programs and spending on old ones held down so the budget was almost balanced (ignoring Social Security’s surpluses hiding some of the general deficit). Now with the new alliance, both Republicans and Democrats spend like drunken sailors when they have an impasse over what to spend. Yeah, bankruptcy!


23 posted on 11/15/2023 9:02:20 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago. Now with "Formal Deprogramming")
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To: ChicagoConservative27

MarketWatch, like Business Insider, is a nothing but a mouthpiece for globalist liberals.

Often I find their articles to be false flags to be taken as contrarian signals.

Here, they are likely trying to suck in the last few buyers at a market top who will be left holding the bag when a market downdraft hits.


24 posted on 11/15/2023 9:10:54 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: ChicagoConservative27

In the 1990s, the baby boomers were in their prime working years, age 35 to 55.

During the 2020s, the millennials will be in the same age bracket. This generation is even larger than the baby boomers.

So, yes, the demographic foundations are there for a boom. Public policy could either encourage a boom, or stifle it. If the millennials join with the boomers to elect a decent government, we might have something.


25 posted on 11/15/2023 9:13:44 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“The era of Big Government is over!” Bill Clinton, State of Union speech, 1995.


26 posted on 11/15/2023 9:15:48 AM PST by Jumpmaster (U.S. Army Paratrooper. I am the 0.001%.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The elites want to lure the sheeple deep into the stock market—and then enjoy watching them go broke when it crashes.


27 posted on 11/15/2023 9:18:06 AM PST by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: Loud Mime

disagree. something just like that period is happening now. only its bigger and more profound. ai one part. advanced robotics is another. advanced genetics is a third. advanced materials development. In a couple years the always 20 years in the future fusion power will suddenly become a reality and collapse the cost of electricity. the year for that will be 2028. the helios corporation has signed a contract with microsoft to provide electricity for their washington office and production facility via fusion energy for .01@ kwh. That announcement was published in the wall st journal a couple months ago.


28 posted on 11/15/2023 9:19:00 AM PST by ckilmer (ui)
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To: Loud Mime

disagree. something just like that period is happening now. only its bigger and more profound. ai one part. advanced robotics is another. advanced genetics is a third. advanced materials development. In a couple years the always 20 years in the future fusion power will suddenly become a reality and collapse the cost of electricity. the year for that will be 2028. the helios corporation has signed a contract with microsoft to provide electricity for their washington office and production facility via fusion energy for .01@ kwh. That announcement was published in the wall st journal a couple months ago.


29 posted on 11/15/2023 9:19:00 AM PST by ckilmer (ui)
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To: oil_dude

“BOTH residential and commercial real estate ARE CRASHING RIGHT NOW”

I am only down 5% from the 2022 peak. Now back on the trendline after the 2022 33% spike.

No crash here.


30 posted on 11/15/2023 9:19:58 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: 9422WMR

“And look how bad tech has gotten us.”

Yech has allowed you to post your misguided rant!


31 posted on 11/15/2023 9:22:36 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Tread very carefully.

The debt our there—public and private—is mind boggling.

This never ends well.


32 posted on 11/15/2023 9:22:39 AM PST by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The budget was never balanced under Bill Clinton. There were several factors which made it appear so. Mostly accounting gimmicks

Making some expenditures off budget. So you still had to pay for them but they weren’t listed in the budget as an expenditure

Counting Social Security taxes as part of the general funds intake

And probably the biggest thing was the treasury borrowing much more of its money on short-term t-bills because they offered a lower interest rate, the drawback being that there was the possibility that they would have to be renewed at a higher rate. So the balance budget was more a temporary lowering of the cost of financing the deficit and the debt.


33 posted on 11/15/2023 9:24:45 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: Sequoyah101

“Old money doesn’t make money in a recovery, just the new money put in at the right time and waiting on growth.”

My old money keeps on making money! I have pulled money out of my IRA (at least 5% per year) since retiring in 2011 and there is more there now than in 2011.


34 posted on 11/15/2023 9:28:31 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

My company has experienced about 3 weeks of down internet and phone service. Friends high school (where she works) has multiple breakdowns per month.
Combining phone and internet? Sure great idea, if it works.
Misguided rant? Shirley you jest!


35 posted on 11/15/2023 9:40:26 AM PST by 9422WMR
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Congress, not the president, controls the purse strings. And controlling the purse strings is a huge factor in the economy.

Clinton inherited an economy that was still churning along on the Reagan reforms. He immediately set out to destroy it, but Republicans were elected into Congress and stopped those plans. Clinton fought against some of the Republican measures to control government and encourage people to be more responsible (welfare reform) but eventually went along with them because, to him, popularity was more important than his radical socialist agenda.

Also, the tech boom happened during that time.


36 posted on 11/15/2023 9:46:01 AM PST by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Actually, it was a Newt Gingrich boom.


37 posted on 11/15/2023 9:56:51 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I remember the Republican-passed Contract With America.


38 posted on 11/15/2023 10:16:53 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: chiller

Oh come now....Joe’s got offshore wind, solar, EVs all going hot hot hot.

Boomtime baby !


I forgot about that railroad Biden is building in the Indian Ocean. Where was that?


39 posted on 11/15/2023 10:23:38 AM PST by Loud Mime ("The Real Constitution..and its real enemies" on Amazon. Check out the details, they are important.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

As I recall, Newt’s fiscal responsibility in the House, along with the contract with America saved Bill’s bacon - big time.

The House forced him to sign their BUDGET which saved the economy.


40 posted on 11/15/2023 10:27:11 AM PST by Baldwin77 (Be not deceived, God is not mocked)
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