Order! Order in the Universe! – A Meditation on the Wisdom That Creation Reflects

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 03-01-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[HiTech RedNeck]

It looks like a huge effort to skip around the most important factor of all, that of order, and in fact pre-order.

If the science is about a creation, then to pretend it is about something else is ludicrous.

Of course these scientists do not submit themselves to the same “microscope,” because it would show themselves to be random emanations.

[Zeneta]

You seem to be trying really hard to stand by an ideology that may cause a ton of discomfort if you were to acknowledge the actual science.

I suggest that you continue your journey for the truth.

Don’t be convinced by anything that some “Scientist” has told you. Find out for yourself.

I spent nearly a dozen years trying to deny Creation as the answer. I read virtually everything from both sides and explored the physics of “Humanism” which is basically, Buddhism.

If you are actually interested, and are starting from the secular nature of our culture, I would recommend Joseph Campbell. He will bring you to Buddhism, but if you are honest with yourself, you will dig deeper.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Yep, these scientists do not consider themselves to be the shallow random emanations that they would sentence the rest of the creation to being.

[Zeneta]

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

Dr. Robert Jastrow

[HiTech RedNeck]

Pointing the business end of their microscope at themselves is quite a revelation.

[Zeneta]

Pointing the business end of their microscope at themselves is quite a revelation.

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It rarely happens.

There’s a tremendous amount of peer pressure and personal sacrifices involved for a scientist whose entire life is built on what his peers think of him.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Yes... so much modern science is actually a game played to the gallery, and it ends up being fanatically defended half baked philosophy because the gallery screams so loud. Global warmism is one of those things.

Scientists used to be humble before God. Michael Faraday is one of my favorites in that category. He knew that if there was an association found in nature, it probably had been put there for an elegant reason by God and wasn’t the result of some anonymous dice throw. One did not need to agree on how many angels could dance on the head of a pin to realize that God made the angels and arranged for the pin to be there.

[Zeneta]

Yes... so much modern science is actually a game played to the gallery, and it ends up being fanatically defended half baked philosophy because the gallery screams so loud. Global warmism is one of those things.

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No doubt.

To think that these modern day “Scientists” don’t have an agenda based on their preconceived notions of what will be “popular” and get them the funds they need, would be really stupid.

Welcome, to the Machine.

[HiTech RedNeck]

In fact, ask them their views on religion and 90% of the time that is just how they act themselves.

[Zeneta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY1z0slvZ30

[cotton]

Good Reply. You actually addressed the issues. !!!

[Zeneta]

Good Reply. You actually addressed the issues. !!!

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You clearly forgot the sarcasm tag.

[HiTech RedNeck]

It would be like trying to explain “Precious Lord, Take My Hand” by an anatomy text.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Oxygenating a failure is supposed to do what... except get it to fail quicker?

[HiTech RedNeck]

The point of why isn’t the appearance of life on earth a fundamental failure, hasn’t been addressed at all. Things that can help a success be a better success are addressed, but that is misleading. We want to know why any rabbit at all is in the hat, not that rabbits in the hat had rabbity sex and multiplied like crazy.

[JimSEA]

I came by my understanding of geology and biology quite honestly and in some detail through my upbringing in a mining town and many years working there and at other mines. I saw certain things around me that raised questions -- a volcanic plug dominating the valley, a layer of limestone full of fossils (some quite odd looking marine creatures) at some 3500 ft elevation and the ore body itself. I was fortunate enough to start talking with some friendly mine geologists who pointed me toward some texts and Mining Review Articles, in particular Geology and Ore Deposits of the Superior Mining District which got me going. Soon thereafter Plate tectonics was accepted as the accurate geological model. This interest continues until today. I've had these convictions most of my seventy years.

[Zeneta]

Yes,

Feeding fuel to failure is the best and fastest way burn it out of existence.

[HiTech RedNeck]

You might be cheered to know that creation study comes in (at least) both old and young earth flavors, and that the old earth flavor has no problem with the plate tectonics.

To raise that as a strawman against the knowledge of God is a supremely dishonest move.

[cotton]

Interesting reply. You give some young earth refutations of macro evolution. Then say I demonstrate a fifth grade education. Indeed we know from elementary school that acquired traits are not inherited. A few years latter we learn about natural selection. Undergraduate study takes one further into biology, chemistry and earth studies. Graduate school then let's us know just how little we really know. Life then expands on that little knowledge. I have been surprised by what I have learned. Isn't quantum physics a blast. How about the beauty of the world of fractals and the Hubble space explorations. How about the wonder of the complex fruit fly and the volux. I am in awe!

[Zeneta]

The point of why isn’t the appearance of life on earth a fundamental failure, hasn’t been addressed at all

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How and who can address this?