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What 'the state of theology' tells us about America: When asked whether they agreed that “Jesus was a great teacher …but not God,” 43% of Evangelicals answered 'yes'
Christian Post ^ | 09/27/2022 | John Stonestreet and Kasey Leander

Posted on 09/27/2022 10:53:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: fwdude

Indeed


21 posted on 09/27/2022 11:21:48 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: marron
Can’t help but wonder how they decide who is an “evangelical”?

The survey itself says this:

Evangelicals were defined by LifeWay Research as people who strongly agreed with the following four statements:

The Bible is the highest authority for what I believe.

It is very important for me personally to encourage non-Christians to trust Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Jesus Christ’s death on the cross is the only sacrifice that could remove the penalty of my sin.

Only those who trust in Jesus Christ alone as their Savior receive God’s free gift of eternal salvation.

To my mind, someone who affirms strongly the above propositions but who then does not accept the divinity of Jesus is, to say the least, one very confused "Christian."

22 posted on 09/27/2022 11:23:22 AM PDT by DSH
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To: SeekAndFind
"I and the Father are one.”   John 10:30
23 posted on 09/27/2022 11:23:57 AM PDT by rx
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To: TexasFreeper2009; SeekAndFind

There are mysteries surrounding the exact relationship of God and Christ, the exact architecture of heaven, the nature of the miracles in Christ’s birth, life, and resurrection. I don’t expect to completely understand this side of heaven. We’ll all find out when we get there. In the meantime I take the text as it’s written. There may be some deeper meaning I’m not privy to, so I’ll just take scripture at it’s word.

God shows us some things as we walk it out and the rest will wait.


24 posted on 09/27/2022 11:24:00 AM PDT by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

Our church leaders are failing us. Time to go back to teaching basics instead of trying to make everyone feel good.


25 posted on 09/27/2022 11:27:48 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sobering statistics. As a pastor I assume everyone in the congregation is on the same page when it comes to basics like Jesus is God. I may need to not make that assumption.

See Jane run, run Jane run.

Spot gets the ball.

We are sinners who need a savior

Jesus is our savior

Jesus (and the Holy Spirit) is one with the Father


26 posted on 09/27/2022 11:28:43 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a damning indictment against the American Church


27 posted on 09/27/2022 11:29:11 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: DannyTN

The Law is based on love. We have duties to God (the first four) and duties to our fellow man. We should strive to keep the commandments in their entirety but , being as we are weak, will fall short unless the Holy Spirit supplants our efforts. But the Law is eternal. It doesn’t save because that is not its purpose. It’s a yardstick to see where we measure up and see why we need a Savior.


28 posted on 09/27/2022 11:32:07 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I was born into this world with nothing . . and I still have most of it .)
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To: SeekAndFind

The commies are doing a great job in the churches. Just as they planned.


29 posted on 09/27/2022 11:36:45 AM PDT by ChuckHam
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To: fidelis

This may seem odd but although the church I was raised in certainly fits within the usual understanding of “evangelical” I never heard the word used to describe us and never thought about it one way or the other.

Only after living in Latin America did I adopt the word, because there the assumption is that you are Catholic or “evangelico”.

I suppose it’s because the church of my youth did not see themselves as “part” of some broader body of Christ. Whereas in my adulthood I did come to see myself as exactly that, part of a broader body of Christ. Christians aren’t limited to any particular denomination, they are where you find them. You can’t go by the sign above the door.


30 posted on 09/27/2022 11:37:13 AM PDT by marron
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To: circlecity

“This is nothing. The deity of Christ was the issue the Nicene counsel assembled to address.”

The rise of the interdenominational megachurch is doing much to erode American religion.

By saying you are interdenominational it means you don’t care about issues of theology. The the trinity, predestination, the nature of sin. These are all core questions that should affect your life entire.

Churches that ignore them are feeding their congregants pablum.


31 posted on 09/27/2022 11:43:00 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: SeekAndFind

So what exactly are these people evangelizing? It sure isn’t Jesus of Nazareth who was executed and died, but stopped being dead three days later. It’s not the One who created the universe and who sits at the right hand of The Father. It’s not the one who holds the keys to death and hell and who is coming back for His spotless bride. It’s not the One who gave Himself as the one and only sacrifice for our sins.


32 posted on 09/27/2022 11:44:44 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lots of fools will be in Hell because they don’t read or believe The Bible.

The word “Christian” is loosely defined these days.


33 posted on 09/27/2022 11:45:26 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems like an awful lot of “professing Christians” these days - might as well be looking to Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny for their eternity..

I mean.. why even bother?


34 posted on 09/27/2022 11:45:45 AM PDT by joethedrummer (We can't vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: fidelis

I prefer to just refer to myself as “Christian”. That seems sufficient.


35 posted on 09/27/2022 11:52:29 AM PDT by marron
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To: DannyTN

Exactly right. The common conception of “original sin” is wrong. I stand condemned not because of Adam’s sin, or my father’s sin, but by my own sin. Even in the OT, God said at least twice: “the soul that sins, it shall die,” e.g., Ezek. 18:20, Jer. 31:30. The idea that each newborn baby is born with sins already “charged to its account” is unscriptural nonsense that arose, I suspect, after the post-Constantinian church started to agitate for universal infant baptism.


36 posted on 09/27/2022 12:08:23 PM PDT by Burma Jones
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To: Sirius Lee
"Who should I say sent me?" Tell them that I AM that I AM
Exodus 3:14.
37 posted on 09/27/2022 12:12:04 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: marron
Only after living in Latin America did I adopt the word, because there the assumption is that you are Catholic or “evangelico”.

I suppose it’s because the church of my youth did not see themselves as “part” of some broader body of Christ. Whereas in my adulthood I did come to see myself as exactly that, part of a broader body of Christ. Christians aren’t limited to any particular denomination, they are where you find them. You can’t go by the sign above the door.

I prefer to just refer to myself as “Christian”. That seems sufficient.

In a perfect world where there were no distinctions or divisions among Christians, that would be the ideal, but as your experience in Latin America shows, sometimes one needs to make the distinction to avoid confusion or misunderstanding. In discussing matters of the Faith I would speak differently to a Catholic than I would to a Methodist, than I would to a Baptist, etc., because even though we're all Christians, within our different faith traditions we sometimes have different understandings of things, ways of speaking about them, and even different definitions of words like grace, justification, sanctification, predestination, etc.

38 posted on 09/27/2022 12:17:33 PM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So many people who claim to be Christian are forgetting to read the Bible!


39 posted on 09/27/2022 12:18:45 PM PDT by high info voter (Delivery )
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To: SeekAndFind

He wasn’t God. He said he wasn’t. He was the “son of God”.
This is what you get with the buffet style christianity of paulinism:
a millennia of knot-twisting to the point of incoherency.


40 posted on 09/27/2022 12:36:56 PM PDT by brent13a
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