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Schiavo in Her 'Last Hours,' Father Says Amid Appeals
New York Times ^ | 3/26/05 | RICK LYMAN

Posted on 03/25/2005 7:46:32 PM PST by madprof98

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. . . the sense there grew that this religious and political drama was rapidly coming to a grim conclusion.

GRIM??? Why, I thought this was the happiest possible outcome! Isn't that what this paper and its zillion clones in print and TV-land have been telling us???

1 posted on 03/25/2005 7:46:32 PM PST by madprof98
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PEOPLE v. ARCHERD (1970) 3 C3d 615

"...The lapse of time between the various offenses and the indictment of defendant on July 27, 1967, is considerable but is adequately explained by the record. The murder weapon in each case was unique, insulin. The deaths of each of these victims were initially attributed to causes other than a criminal agency. Suspicion of insulin and of defendant as the person administering the insulin was not aroused until the death of Zella in 1956. It was not until years later, after much painstaking and persistent investigation by law enforcement officers, and the discovery of advances made in {Page 3 Cal.3d 621} medical knowledge and techniques, that sufficient evidence could be accumulated to charge defendant with these deaths. Unfortunately, by then other of defendant's victims had lost their lives. This is the only known reported case of murder by insulin poisoning in the United States. Only one other, reported world-wide, occurred in England in 1956. ..."

"...Dr. Grace Fern Thomas, a psychiatrist and an expert in insulin shock therapy, and director of the insulin shock department at the time defendant was at Camarillo, testified as to the procedures on the ward. A precise dosage of insulin was measured for each person at a particular time. At a specific level that patient would go into shock in approximately two hours after the injection. Patients do not progress at the same level. Careful watch must be kept of the pulse, color, blood pressure, general condition, and neurological signs, such as pupillary changes and body motions. When a patient is going into progressive stages of coma he sweats very profusely and breathes very heavily. Saliva is secreted in large amounts, mucous flows freely and mixes with the saliva, and the patient must be carefully watched, turned, or assisted so that he does not aspirate the fluid into his lungs. Otherwise bronchopneumonia may develop, leading to death. The gag reflex and the cornea reflex are lost. Convulsions may occur, and medication is given to prevent this. The extremities may stiffen. At a relatively deep level of coma the Babinski test (scatching the sole of the foot in a certain manner) will cause a reflex known as the Babinski response (toes fan out). The patient must be brought out of the coma within 10-15 minutes thereafter. This is done by administering glucose through gastric tubes, and if this is not effective, glucose is administered intravenously to raise the blood sugar.

If the brain is deprived of blood sugar for a prolonged period irreversible brain damage and death may result.

As soon as a patient is fed glucose he awakens and is hungry. Only regular insulin was used in the ward because it was the only insulin where the time of coma could be calculated for therapeutic use. Injections began with small doses, very gradually increased over a three-week period..."
2 posted on 03/25/2005 7:46:57 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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Why is this a religiouse issue?! This has nothing to do with anyone's religion! This is about the right to live!


3 posted on 03/25/2005 7:49:23 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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>>>Why is this a religiouse issue?! This has nothing to do with anyone's religion! This is about the right to live! >>>

Because the left has to belittle our effort to save this woman's life and have to equate us with the 'loony anti-abortion activists' in an attempt to discredit us.

I am personally not completely anti-abortion, but I am anti-Teri Schiavo being murdered. I am not anti-removing life support. But not in this case.


4 posted on 03/25/2005 7:51:08 PM PST by sandbar
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This is about a Nazi Judge who uses torture on conscious humans
ands its coverup by more proNazi Judges advocating torture on conscious humans.
5 posted on 03/25/2005 7:51:39 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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Has anyone heard if Jeb has gone in and was blocked to the Hostpice?!


6 posted on 03/25/2005 7:51:47 PM PST by zzen01
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Times photo -- Lance Rothstein] Early Friday morning Bob Schindler (right), father of Terri Schiavo, talks to Amanda Withey, 14, who was brought to Woodside Hospice by her adoptive parents Paul and Jennifer Withey. According to her parents, Amanda suffers from a traumatic brain injury. The family traveled here from Natchitoches, La., to show their support for the Schindlers

http://www.sptimes.com/

7 posted on 03/25/2005 7:52:46 PM PST by fight_truth_decay (.)
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Why would he go in, there is no law to back him doing that?


8 posted on 03/25/2005 7:53:12 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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So far he has not gone there. Shiavo's parents said ""[Bush] has put Terri through a week of hell and our family through a week of hell by not acting,"


9 posted on 03/25/2005 7:54:14 PM PST by areafiftyone (The Democrat's Mind: The Hamster's dead but the wheel's still spinning!)
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"Terri is weakening and she's down to her last hours"

"GRIM??? Why, I thought this was the happiest possible outcome! Isn't that what this paper and its zillion clones in print and TV-land have been telling us???"

What do parents tell their children about why Terri is dying?
What do the children think, when they hear that lawyers, judges, govenors, and the president are "starving a woman to death?"
And no adults help her...

10 posted on 03/25/2005 7:54:25 PM PST by hoot2
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Anyone with half a heart feels the impact! This judge is truly evil.





11 posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:21 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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Maybe the President can sign a Presidential Pardon for Terri being alive?


12 posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:42 PM PST by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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""Maybe the President can sign a Presidential Pardon for Terri being alive?""

He can't because Terri is not a criminal. Criminals are given more rights.


13 posted on 03/25/2005 7:56:54 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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These poor people have gone through hell for 15 years now. I don't blame them for lashing out at everybody. Jeb gave them a couple years with Terri they wouldn't have had without him.


14 posted on 03/25/2005 7:58:57 PM PST by digger48
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I guess she would have been better off if she had committed some crime?


15 posted on 03/25/2005 8:00:27 PM PST by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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How about Jeb goes in, "W" pardons him for his actions?


16 posted on 03/25/2005 8:00:33 PM PST by digger48
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"" What do the children think, when they hear that lawyers, judges, govenors, and the president are "starving a woman to death?"""


Excuse me, but President Bush and Jeb Bush are not starving this woman to death. Anyone who has taken a proactive role in this including the 42 Democrats in Congress are innocent.

It is the judges. Every one in the Supreme court INCLUDING Scalia has blood on his hands. And Judge Greer and Michael Shiavo will burn in hell for this.


17 posted on 03/25/2005 8:01:00 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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"It's good, it's good, my son is going to be a man," said Scott Helbreth of Charlotte, N.C., as he watched his 10-year-old son, Joshua, take his place in line carrying a cup of water. Mr. Helbreth said Joshua had read about Ms. Schiavo and asked his father to drive him to Florida. "I am so proud of him," Mr. Helbreth said. "Only in America do we have children like this." Well done Scott! I hope he'll be going into law. Way to go Scott!
18 posted on 03/25/2005 8:02:50 PM PST by ExposeEvil (Stop Judicial Oligarchs)
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"This judge is truly evil. "

Judgenfuhrer Greer: "Hey. That's not fair.
The damn 'b&tch' wants to die by torture and starvation.
Now on your knees immediately and service me .. or join her."

19 posted on 03/25/2005 8:02:53 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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""These poor people have gone through hell for 15 years now. I don't blame them for lashing out at everybody. Jeb gave them a couple years with Terri they wouldn't have had without him.""


Exactly, when that lawyer of theirs lashed out- well I completely understand. I understand that they are angry, hurt, and helpless. No one can blame them. And no doubt their lawyer is personally involved.



20 posted on 03/25/2005 8:03:06 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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