NASA's Controversial Gravity Shield Experiment Fails to Produce

space.com ^ | 10 Oct 01 | Jack Lucentini

[Triple]

Thank you.

Had a tad of science in my youth.

My hypothesis, which you confirmed, is that gravity is not fully understood. There is the theory of a gravitational field, but its composition is not yet fully understood.

I suspect a nobel prize is waiting for the scientist that demonstrates the components of the gravitational field.

These notions IMO, all point to the need for research into gravity.

[Smedley]

The whole thing is in the math, and is well worth pursuing. In fact, the first nation to discover how to do it will dominate the Earth for a very, very long time. We have to get there first. One might imagine Osama Bin Laden having such a discovery at his disposal.

You know -- I'd like to make some sort of remark like "I keep my anti-grav machine between my perpetual motion device and my copy of 'The Handbook of Clinton Morality'".

However, I don't know and I hope it works.

[Smedley]

The whole thing is in the math, and is well worth pursuing. In fact, the first nation to discover how to do it will dominate the Earth for a very, very long time. We have to get there first. One might imagine Osama Bin Laden having such a discovery at his disposal.

You know -- I'd like to make some sort of remark like "I keep my anti-grav machine between my perpetual motion device and my copy of 'The Handbook of Clinton Morality'".

However, I don't know and I hope it works.

[bluetoad]

vibration ruction technology = vibration reduction technology

Particles/Wave colliding at 180 degrees out of phase cancel each other out. This is being use in Vibration Reduction Technology now, and the same physics can be applied to areas of science (i.e. gravity).

[RightWhale]

a nobel prize is waiting for the scientist that demonstrates the components of the gravitational field

These days the Nobel Prize is awarded for explaining things like why we don't trust the used car salesman.

[steve-b]

Remember scientists throughout history have been laughed at, imprisoned, and killed for their beliefs/research.

They laughed at Galileo, they laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein.

But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

[theoutsideman]

NASA has become a joke, just another WPA project, and they are now extending the welfare to the russians.

[RightWhale]

Were you thinking of Giordano Bruno who was eventually burnt by the Inquisition after doing everything in his power to flaunt his heresy all over Europe? If it were simply about his Gnostic cosmology, they would have left him alone.

[Physicist]

My hypothesis, which you confirmed, is that gravity is not fully understood. There is the theory of a gravitational field, but its composition is not yet fully understood.

We don't know that it isn't fully understood. There certainly aren't any experimental results that contradict Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.

The reason we suspect that the gravitational field is quantizable is because every other force we know about is quantized. Electromagnetism is described well by photons, the strong nuclear force is described well by gluons, and the weak nuclear force is described well by the W and Z bosons. The problem with quantum gravity is that gravity is a spin-2 field (i.e., for every unit of momentum carried by the field, there are two units of angular momentum). Unfortunately, when you go and naively quantize a spin-2 field in 4 dimensions, the quantities you calculate are infinite.

As a matter of fact, there are only two spaces in which the calculated quantities from such a field can be finite: one space has 11 dimensions, and one has 26 dimensions. The "superstring" theories that have captured the attention of the press (and M-theory, which relates them to each other) are 11-dimensional theories.

But we can't discount the possibility that nature is just perverse, and gravity really does have a totally different structure from all the other forces. Perhaps General Relativity is all there is.

These notions IMO, all point to the need for research into gravity.

There are gobs of research going on in gravity, particularly in quantum gravity. Every time you see the word "superstrings", it refers to quantum gravity research.

[Brett66]

NASA's not spending a whole lot of money on this stuff, but the upside potential is tremendous. The downside is that they wasted $600,000. Of course they will end up spending about 100 billion on a money black hole in LEO. So 600 grand is no big deal.

[Triple]

Excellent post in 109, thanks.

[SunkenCiv]

This topic is from 2001. For your convenience, links to the two older topics (both of which are old-style):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=Podkletnov

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b7154925d42.htm

Anti-Gravity Beam Claimed
Miscellaneous News Keywords: GRAVITY, RELATIVITY
Source: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Published: August 3, 2001 Author: Evgeny Podkletnov, Giovanni Modanese
Posted on 08/08/2001 08:02:42 PDT by Nick Danger
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b7154925d42.htm

Serious Science: Impulse Artificial Gravity Generator Based on Ceramic Superconductor
Miscellaneous News
Source: Lawrence Livermore Natiional Labs physics document server
Published: August 3, 2001 Author: Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov (Moscow) and Dr. Giovanni Modanese (Palo Alto)
Posted on 08/08/2001 20:53:51 PDT by Khepry
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b72094f03fb.htm