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Mercurial Times ^ | 1/14/02 | Sean Finnegan

Posted on 01/15/2002 7:22:51 PM PST by nunya bidness

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To: sneakypete
When they shut down the ability to use cash (and they WILL),they shut down freedom.

Then there are forces in our society on a collision course.

141 posted on 01/17/2002 8:09:50 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Given a choice, with no possibility to refuse, I'd rather have to drink a glass of 1% arsenic every day than a glass of 10% cyanide.

But don't try to convince me it's healthy.

142 posted on 01/17/2002 8:13:32 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
So, again, I am seriously asking for alternatives, options, viable, doable solutions. Seriously.
143 posted on 01/17/2002 8:16:24 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: sneakypete
If the forces of tyranny were smart, they'd go as slow as possible in stripping away our freedom.

In a generation or two, most kids will have forgotten what freedom ever was, and won't care.

By that time most young men would rather kiss a guy than touch a gun.

144 posted on 01/17/2002 8:16:36 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Stuck in a rowboat on the leading edge of a hurricane none of the options are good.
145 posted on 01/17/2002 8:18:09 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
If our country is as far gone as you and others see it to be ..... and I am not disputing that evaluation......shall we "give up"? That is my question. It seems to me - the solutions are either give up or get in the battle. If we get in the battle, how can we win?
146 posted on 01/17/2002 8:19:40 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Travis McGee
There are people of integrity in Republican politics. I do not know of one in Democratic political circles. (Any Democrat who had integrity would have left the Democratic party due to Clinton's malfeasance and criminal activities. If they are still Democrats, they are without integrity, IMHO).

Further, the Marxists are ALL Democrats.

I know leftist "ideologies" are not the only "evil" in the world - but they have been responsible for the death of millions and the enslavement of multiplied millions more in the past and current century.

In our own country, these leftist ideologies have led to the slaughter of the innocent unborn (by the presence of leftists on our Supreme Court and in our White House - most notably FDR and LBJ). In other countries, these leftist ideologies have led to the overt massacre of millions through starvation, terrorism against their own citizens, and outright execution.

I just have a difficult time understanding how anyone who is concerned about statist abuse of citizens coming to America would do anything that would ensure that the leftists in America take power!

If the Republican Party leaves me in terms of its ideology, I will leave it. It it does not - how else can I fight?

147 posted on 01/17/2002 8:42:33 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Travis McGee
Then there are forces in our society on a collision course.

Of course. The only question is "when"? We KNOW it won't be under a Dim president because people would scream bloody murder if one tried. This means it has to come under a Rep president like Bubba-2. I don't really look for it this term,but if he wins reelection,WATCH OUT! Chances are we won't even hear about it until it is a done-deal,and made a part of his anti-terrorism package under the "Office of Reich Security".

It doesn't really matter when the first shots of the "Second American Revolution" are fired,the opening day is when cash becomes illegal. If the feral gooberment is allowed to get away with that,any resistance to them is helpless.

148 posted on 01/17/2002 8:52:05 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
can an authentic Christian KNOWINGLY lead America into a Hitleresque scenario?

Yes.

149 posted on 01/17/2002 8:53:21 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Travis McGee
"Stuck in a rowboat on the leading edge of a hurricane none of the options are good."

Well put. Agreed.

Still, one must act. Rowing is an action. Jumping out of the boat to drown oneself is an action. Praying is an action. Or lying down in the boat and holding on for dear life is an action.

Either way - perhaps it doesn't matter. But I believe it does. I believe decisions, choices, actions, matter quite a bit. I know you believe this too - as do others in the group here on this thread.

When I look at the national political scene - there are very few choices. I just cannot do anything that puts me on the side of those who are choosing the leftist destroyers. Nothing.

150 posted on 01/17/2002 8:53:58 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: sneakypete
Good point about the crunch coming under a Pubbie, the old Nixon goes to China thing.

If we outlaw cash, as you say, either the war starts or (the last vestige of) freedom dies.

Frankly, we are better getting it over with sooner rather than later, because in 30 years the coming "reformed" generations won't be willing to even touch a nasty evil gun.

(Unless of course they are wearing a black uniform in the Service of the State.)

151 posted on 01/17/2002 8:59:54 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
If the forces of tyranny were smart, they'd go as slow as possible in stripping away our freedom.

They are smart,and this IS what they have been doing. Two steps forward under the Dims,and one step back with the Reps. Face it,it took a Republican to get that damned "Homeland Security Office" and "Patriot Act" stuff passed with a minimum of trouble. There is no way in HELL a Dim president could have ever got away with that. The Dims push fascism/socialism to the max,and the Reps do slightly less in a more subtle manner while nobody is watchint. Then the next time the Dims are in charge,they have already gained several advances they couldn't have gotten on their own. They then make another hard-left push,and get slapped back about half-way,and the Republicans "compromise" with them and let them keep that.

Face it,the Dims are the impatient fascists who are likely to push too hard too quick,and wake the sheeple up. The Reps are the stealth fascists,and make great advances towards a "One World Order/One World Gooberment/Third Way (Corporate Gooberment)" rule while people are watcing the Dims.

This is why I may go ahead and just start voting Dim. There is a chance they will push too hard too quick and wake people up. If we keep electing stealth Dims like Bush,it will all be over before most people realise we are losing anything.

152 posted on 01/17/2002 9:02:11 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Hey, I'll row like hell, but I am just not optimistic about the long term.
153 posted on 01/17/2002 9:02:33 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: sneakypete
Your NC choice of Liddy "nobody needs a gun" Dole is a good case in point.
154 posted on 01/17/2002 9:04:30 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: sneakypete
Thanks for answering my question. I don't agree with your answer. Please explain and justify your answer. Obviously, I am a Christian - and don't know of "authentic" Christians who would knowingly lead this nation into a Hitleresque scenario. I do, however, know of people who are authentic Christians who are naive about the evil in the world....either because they have been sheltered from evil or because they have never read and studied about the horrors of totalitarian societies. Even without the latter, authentic Christians - of all people on this planet - should understand about the nature of man - its intrensic fallen state - with the enormous capacity for evil....because for a person to become an "authentic" Christian, that person MUST acknowledge that very fact! (All men/women are sinners. I am a lost, dead in my sins, person who, apart from the salvation offered in Jesus Christ, is just as capable of heinous crimes as Hitler. Redeemed from my sins, however, with the forgiveness and grace of God taking hold in my life to its depths, I could not possibly commit Hitleresque crimes - not knowingly.

It would be as foreign for me or any Christian who has faced the "true nature of man" to become a Hitler or a Stalin as it would be for a leftist to embrace ending governmental abuse of power!

I just don't agree with your basic tenet here.

Now. Whether or not President Bush is an "authentic" Christian - or whether he is unfortunately a Christian in name only - THAT is a matter for discussion. From everything I have learned about him here and elsewhere, I cannot imagine he is anything other than an "authentic Christian."

155 posted on 01/17/2002 9:10:45 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Travis McGee
If we outlaw cash, as you say, either the war starts or (the last vestige of) freedom dies.

Yup. I wonder how much luck we will have trying to get people to realize this? ESPECIALLY the soccer-mom types of both sexes who put personal safety ahead of anything else? They will buy right into it if it is sold to them as a way to prevent street robberies. And it WILL be sold to the public this way. No more worries about homeless crack heads busting you upside the head to get money for crack,when money doesn't exist. Of course,the banks will buy right into it. One reason being they will ge a fee from EACH transaction that way,but the primary reason being the people who own the banks will be the ones in charge of the world under "Corporate Goverment".

Frankly, we are better getting it over with sooner rather than later, because in 30 years the coming "reformed" generations won't be willing to even touch a nasty evil gun.

(Unless of course they are wearing a black uniform in the Service of the State.)

Precisely the point I am trying to make.

156 posted on 01/17/2002 9:24:06 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Travis McGee
"Hey, I'll row like hell, but I am just not optimistic about the long term."

Ok - then what actions are included in the "row like hell" choices - going back to the situation in which we find ourselves in this country right now?

Wouldn't it be more effective if there were lots of boats with your boat and lots of rowers rowing with you? Wouldn't there be a chance, then, of outracing the hurricane, if dozens - hundreds - thousands more were rowing with you?

157 posted on 01/17/2002 9:26:51 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Travis McGee
Your NC choice of Liddy "nobody needs a gun" Dole is a good case in point.

Yup,she is a Corporate (Republican)"insider" who has been hand-picked by the elitists who run the party for this Senate seat,and there is no way in hell anybody has any chance at all of beating her in the primary. The RNC and the NC GOP even have her lying now about how she is a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment.If I ever get close to her (never happen on purpose),I will tell her that since she is pulling my leg,why not pull my finger? That might leave her with a politician statement she can understand.

158 posted on 01/17/2002 9:31:13 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
That's why I am here. But I'm not much of a "joiner", and I will keep Escape Pod One fueled up.
159 posted on 01/17/2002 9:31:56 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Please explain

No. The old saying "Nobody is as blind as he who won't see" applies here. I have better things to do with my time than argue history and theology with somebody who has a agenda.

and justify your answer.,/I>

I don't have to justify my opinions to you or anyone else,and won't.

160 posted on 01/17/2002 9:34:11 AM PST by sneakypete
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