Posted on 03/21/2002 8:08:04 AM PST by mombonn
Edited on 04/22/2004 11:46:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Sorry HJ, did I misinterpret this statement:
I do not doubt these adults love for the children in their care, and the state is recognizing that these individuals are indeed providing good care for these children by allowing them to live and continue to live with them....
If so, consider my foot prominently inserted in mouth and I apologize.
See #6.
;-)
This is from the Wall Street Journal.
Decorum must be observed...
In 1998, the year that my wife and I adopted our sons from the foster system in Connecticut, there were a total of 55,000 children in "the system", approximately 4,500 of whom had been TPR'ed and were available for adoption. (TPR=Termination of Parental Rights). There were a total of 88 adoptive families approved that year. In our class of 12 families, there were no singles or "alternative" couples.
As we went through the homestudy process (more intrusive than an airport proctology exam), we were asked to identify what we could accept in a child in terms of age, race, health, mental capacity, etc. We were very open at this point - anywhere from birth to 10 years old, race was not a concern, health was a medium concern, mental capacity was less of a concern because we had been Special Olympics coaches for quite a few years.
We were asked within three months of completing our certification to adopt a pair of biological brothers of hispanic extraction with learning disabilities. We said yes. They're about the color of a cup of coffee, dark - one sugar. :-) We're about the color of the cream. Race was never the big issue you seem to think it is.
The real issue is that there are far fewer families willing to adopt than there are children who need adopting. I've been in the midst of this and some of the kids I know have been shuttled from place to place all their lives, and then tossed out on their own when they turn 18. I've rarely seen a suckier situation.
Your reply to me suggested that you believed I was advocating adoption by homosexuals or in your own words deviants or beastials... that was not what my statements were at all. My argument was to present a legal argument for legal adoption by homosexuals.. I personally didn't advocate it or present one, in fact I suggested that someone give me one. No one in the state has taken foster children away from gays, they just stated they could not adopt... I challenged anyone here to present why they should be allowed to be the legal parents.. we are talking about a legal process not an emotional one.
By my stating that the fact the state is not removing children from foster care by homosexuals, which is true, they aren't, is recognition that these individuals are providing caring homes for these children, which the state recognizes as well.
No one, and I do mean no one in child advocacy, or that has studied or spent time helping children will ever argue that children are not better off in a caring, loving an nurturing environment. Children need a stable, caring, loving environment, period, it is unquestionably the best environment for children.
Please read my original post in its entirety, you will see I am not advocating homosexual adoption.
1. If we're against single parent/homosexual parent adoption then every conservative married couple needs to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER adoption or foster care.
2. Same with abortion. If we are pro-life, we should be considering adoption or foster care.
Yes, there ARE a lot of families out their looking to adopt. But the vast majority want healthy, white babies. The kids that are older, or not "perfect" are often left to a lifetime of shuffling between foster homes.
All I'm saying is that the left is right when they say "look at the thousands of kids to love." I just think the conservatives should be the ones loving them.
And yes, Mrs. Smythe and I have talked about it on numerous occasions. However, we currently have a 2-year old high maintenance kid of our own. He was born three months early. He's just about caught up, but he still has a lot of special needs.
Are your kids straight or gay?
I am really quite happy that your children have found parents who clearly love them and cherish them. I am certain they will grow up to fine adults.
I do question a number of points that you describe out the state and adoptions here. I also note over the years that many many couples have absolutely given up on the state and turned to foreign adoptions and/or adoptions for money. In short if the situation were generally as you described your experiences there would be no adoption for money schemes and surrogate mothering would be almost non-existant (see the laws of supply and demand). No if the choice were only between no loving parent and one who happened to be homosexual then I would not be as critical as I am of the system. However, we all have our experiences and I vbelieve the situation Mrs. harpseal and I encountered was far more the norm from the state of Connecticut than what you describe as your experience.
In fact your experience is so different from what we experienced and several other couples we are aquaited with experienced including one couple that just got children placed in their home this month, after ten years of being certified that I almost questioned the ingenuousness of your comments. I shall, however, merely rejoice that loving parents are blessed with children and that those children have found loving parents. That is what it should be about IMHO.
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Shalom.
Right now we don't have any information on whether a child is better off in foster care or raised by queers. I'll bet the answer comes out in favor of foster care, if the question is ever researched at all. Shalom.
Yeah, it's a well known fact that homosexuals "love" children in greater proportion than the general population.
But that doesn't mean we should scrifice children to them - even in foster homes.
Shalom.
Sorry, but the child is hardly the expert on this subject. Even if you did "rescue" this child from someone who has a mental disorder, you simply pulled him out of the frying pan to put him into the fire.
There is help for your disorder. You should not be required to seek it, but you should before you are allowed to adopt.
Shalom.
Im not sure exactly how I feel about homosexual adoption though. In the case mentioned in the article where a gay couple has been raising a boy for all 10 years of his life I would see no problem with it provided it is what the child wanted too. However, if Im not mistaken (and I certainly could be) a large percent of pedophiles are homosexual. That is NOT to say a large percent of homosexuals are pedophiles. I would be concerned to see a gay man or woman walk into an adoption agency looking to adopt a complete stranger though. (I dont know anything about adoption policies, especially concerning how much time a potential parent has to spend with a kid before adoption.) But I would think a pedophile could control his or herself long enough to complete the adoption process then have a free for all with their newly adopted (and quite possibly troubled or confused) kid.
This is the myth and the lie. They trot these people out as if to say, only gays and lesbians will take these kids. The TRUTH is Rosie's first two kids were not problem children, and the one that was she got rid of, remember? Rosie and most gay people do not want the problem kids. There are just as many, if not MORE straight couples adopting problem kids I would imagine as homosexuals.
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