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Breaking the new anti-free speech law.
Free Republic | 03/23/02 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 03/23/2002 12:08:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson
It is my understanding that issue-driven ads are not covered in the 30/60 day ban. They can be purchased by groups or organizations as long as they are paid for with hard money, and the sources are identified.

The only restriction that I can see thus far, is a ban on actually mentioning a candidates name on the ad.

It is also my understanding that this does not apply for candidates running for the office of VP, or President.

This is the part of the Bill that I believe the SCOTUS will shoot down.

21 posted on 03/23/2002 12:29:39 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Jim Robinson
But THEY are corporations Jim. Even discussing candidates and issues on so called legitimate news programs could be considered "in kind" contributions (IF the law is upheld). We as citizens could make this point and insist that they are breaking the law.

If SCOTUS does say the law is constitutional, then it would HAVE to apply to the media as well since the media is basically nothing more than corporations. Now, you find a flaw in that logic.

First of all, I don't believe for a minute that this law will be upheld. Even the people who sponsored it know it's going to be knocked down. What I can't figure out is why they even bothered to pass it knowing this.

22 posted on 03/23/2002 12:30:30 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Sabertooth
As the one who originated those threads, I think a little comment is in order. The first thread did advocate civil disobedience toward the law and was probably rightfully deleted, although advocating potentially disobeying a law that isn't yet on the books seems pretty theoretical to me. The second thread was discussing civil disobedience in general and when it is justified; I couldn't see any reason for that one to be removed at all.
23 posted on 03/23/2002 12:33:07 PM PST by Doug Loss
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To: McGavin999
What makes me really scared that it will be upheld is Ken Starr is the lead attorney challenging it surely they could find a better lawyer...
24 posted on 03/23/2002 12:33:41 PM PST by weikel
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To: Sabertooth;*SASU

25 posted on 03/23/2002 12:33:57 PM PST by Khepera
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To: LarryLied
Soon they'll be classifying editorials critical of incumbents as "ads" too. Legal definitions and actual definitions of words have nothing to do with each other.
26 posted on 03/23/2002 12:40:00 PM PST by weikel
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To: diotima
We are the media NOW! Yahoo!!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself! ;-}

28 posted on 03/23/2002 12:45:34 PM PST by abner
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To: Jim Robinson
It is not a law yet. You don't need to delete them until Bush signs.
30 posted on 03/23/2002 12:47:57 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: ChareltonHest
Is there really anything morally wrong with breaking a stupid evil tyrannical law? The law is just the will of the tyrant or in a "democracy" tyrants.
31 posted on 03/23/2002 12:48:55 PM PST by weikel
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To: Yall
Hmmm, -- let's see, we have a clearly unconstitutional bill that is to become the law of the land, in Nov. '02?

And we are cautioned to beware of advocating any sort of civil disobedience against this act restricting free speech?

-- In fact, we should not even discuss the issue on Free Republic, as this could invite trouble.

Incredibly, I think I've got it.
In a catch 22 sorta way.

32 posted on 03/23/2002 1:03:11 PM PST by tpaine
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To: *CFR list;*Silence, America!;*Jim_Rob list
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
34 posted on 03/23/2002 1:11:52 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: weikel
"Is there really anything morally wrong with breaking a stupid evil tyrannical law? The law is just the will of the tyrant or in a "democracy" tyrants."

I don't know about "morally wrong" law breaking, but one stupid evil tyrannical law that enables and empowers the democracy tyrants is the income tax. And, as much as I would like to, you do not see me advocating not paying your taxes. If you read the fine print, Free Republic encourages using our first amendment rights to legally protest government abuse and corruption. We do not advocate breaking the law in any protest. Now, if they truly do close down free speech, then we will have another more serious problem that will need further addressing.

35 posted on 03/23/2002 1:19:10 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Dear Jim,

Thanks for your reminder. As Henry David Thoreau noted, there is a huge difference between saying, "I am going to violate the law and stand as an example," and saying "I urge others to violate the law, as an example."

When Thoreau was in jail in Massachusetts for refusing to pay property taxes, in protest over the use of those taxes to support a war, his friend, Ralph Waldo Emerson came to visit. Emerson asked, "Why are you here?" Thoreau replied, "Why are you not here with me?"

If you, Jim, choose to violate Shays-Meehan to make a point, you will have thousands of your freinds standing at your side. But I do not believe it will come to that. We are going to kill Shays-Meehan in the Supreme Court. I've put my reputation and profession on the line. If we don't beat Shays-Meehan, I will resign as a member of 26-years standing, in the Bar of the US Supreme Court.

Speaking of the challenge to CFR, you should have e-mail from me, via John, on that.

As always, thank you for your courage, your commitment, and your common sense.

Congressman Billybob

Last day: "The Truman Factor." Next up: "Doesn't Congress Ever Read the Constitution?"

36 posted on 03/23/2002 1:20:14 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Doug Loss
Reason is not a criteria.
37 posted on 03/23/2002 1:21:46 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for the clarification.
I look towards you for the leadership needed on Free Republic during these difficult times.
My main focus remains in supporting our military and the war effort.
No court in the land can undo another, (God forbid), another day like 9/11.
God Bless and Protect America
38 posted on 03/23/2002 1:23:48 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Luis Gonzalez
My understanding is that the ad ban applies to all federal candidates, including President and VP. Also, keep this in mind:

The law would go into effect on 6 November, 2002. Looks like there's two years before the next election so there's plenty of time to vet the constitutionality. But what if a Representative dies, resigns, or goes to jail on 7 November? Under state law, there would be a special election to fill that spot, The ad bans would swing into effect immediately, preventing any citizen's groups who cared about the issues from running ads that name and either praise or criticize any candidates running to fill that vacancy.

This law has to be beat as quickly as possible. I've seen the grounds that McConnell's team will use to go into court immediately with their challenge, rather than waiting. I think they will succeed with that. Shays-Meehan will probably be dead BEFORE the November election.

Congressman Billybob

Last day: "The Truman Factor." Next up: "Doesn't Congress Ever Read the Constitution?"

39 posted on 03/23/2002 1:28:35 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Jim Robinson
Agreed. Big BTTT!
40 posted on 03/23/2002 1:43:26 PM PST by b4its2late
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