TIME FOR PLAIN TALK (Pope refuses to lead)

The Roman Catholic Faithful ^ | 3/24/02 | Thomas A. Droleskey

[Longshanks]

If Rome is presently unwilling to act, perhaps God is now calling on laymen to fill the vacuum. Are you Catholics willing carry out mass protest/demonstrations at the chanceries until Rome is forced to act?

[Longshanks]

Ping.

[uncbob]

I have been poasting the same thing about the Pope

Several posters have attacked me for it

Well those with their head in the sand are part of the problem and it is going to take a schism by the faithful who have some backbone or at least as you say STRONG public protest because you are not going to get it from the Pope or hierarchy in this country

and as long as the socialistic cardinals can count on a sufficient number of laity to rally round the flag NOTHING of significance will happen

[Longshanks]

Gong

[keithtoo]

I have never had any respect for demonstrations. The Left uses them and they actually do nothing. Nothing has every happened on a person-to-person level because of a demonstration. They are like having a big pep rally for a really bad football team. If your team did not put in the hours of training when noone else was looking, they're still gonna lose.

What the Catholics need to do is pray.

Just like St. Paul says in Ephesians: "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers in high places". Do good Catholics still trust the Pauline Epistles?

[Longshanks]

Whadya think?

[Aliska]

No, I don't want to demonstrate in front of any chancery. They would only get furious. They would have the police make the demonstrators leave and it would, in the end, make things worse.

[Longshanks]

ping

[PFKEY]

If we are to believe that the Pope is infallible then logic would lead one to believe that his and his predecessor's near silence and inaction means that the RCC endorses such and that this is from God.

Most sane people would not follow this logic.

holy father...my foot!

And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

[Longshanks]

Well those with their head in the sand are part of the problem

I think there are a high proportion of cowards among the so-called orthodox. The devil and heretics will always be with us but it’s the don't-rock-the-boat crowd that is really responsible for the present situation. However, a protracted campaign of street action might succeed in waking up sleepy Catholics.

[Slyfox]

I have read many of the Pope's words. I have read his encyclicals, his Wednesday audience addresses, his speeches when he travels. The leadership has always been there. My question is, what does a parent do when his children, way past their teen-age years, do not listen to him? Does he clunk all their fool heads together? This Pope did clunk a few heads, Hans Kung for example, but each individual bishop is responsible for their own diocese. Most have been good. Some have been dreadful.

One bishop, in particular, was suspected of having homosexual leanings and would have boat parties with young men. What did JPII do? Well, when this bishop was called to Rome, for his once-every-five-year-visit he entered the papal office and sitting behind the desk on his chair was the Pope. JP asked him about his diocese and the bishop began to paint a flowery picture of how well he was doing, this campaign and that campaign. The Pope waited for him to finish. "Is that all, isn't there anything else you'd like to tell me?" "Nope."

JPII got up from his desk and began to put stacks of paperwork on his desk. When he finished the desk was loaded. The Pope told him that these piles of paperwork are all the complaints "I've been recieving about you." Then, he listed the complaints verbally to him.

The bishop was shamed and stripped of his position.

The liberals are having a field day pointing their collective finger at Our Holy Father.

[Longshanks]

If we are to believe that the Pope is infallible

Popes are only infallible when officially defining church teaching. The present scandals are the result of the pope tolerating heresy, not teaching it.

[jgorris]

If we are to believe that the Pope is infallible ...

John Paul certainly does not believe himself to be infallible. Rather, he includes himself to be in the category of sinners amongst the rest of us sinners.

Why you gotta bother stirring up trouble with provocative, thinly veiled Catholic hating gibberish?

[Notwithstanding]

So I take it PFKEY has two mommies? (Or else your literal interpretation of the bible is actually not so literal after all since it allows you to call your own dad Father?)

[beckett]

My family knew the late Bishop McGann for close to 50 years. Drolesky's over the top slander of a good man --- slander "with love" to be sure --- is the kind of silliness that hyper-conservative Catholics are famous for, and which the enemies of the Church point to with glee.

[Sir Charles]

With all due respect, PFKEY, your comments are worthless. This has nothing to do at all with infallibility as anyone who knows anything about the Catholic Church would understand.

I agree with most of what has been stated in the articles, and believe it is more an American problem than anything else. And it reflects the attitude and ideology of the activists on so many of the problems regarding morality that exist in this country today. The problem of dealing with the Church is the same as dealing with abortion, homosexuality, sex education, euthanasia, all of that kind of thought. How to organize in opposition to what is going on both inside and outside the Church.

What is required,IMHO, is a national movement with strong leadership, but within the Church,not outside it. I confess that I don't see where that would come from.

[Ronin]

Although I am reading about this topic and have my own opinions concerning it, I think that it is an issue that the Catholics need to resolve themselves.

[sinkspur]

Demonstrations in front of chancery offices are a waste of time.

The Holy Father is a good and saintly man. He is leaving a comprehensive response to priestly pederasty to his successor.

Unfortunately, the American legal system grinds exceedingly fine, and there will be some significant financial exposure for the American Church in the short term.

[PFKEY]

Popes are only infallible when officially defining church teaching.

Would these church teachings be something not revealed in the scriptures?

Is the pope getting new revelations from God?

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness

I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book

[PFKEY]

Please except my apology for stirring.

I just have an issue with the RCC and it's....

I'll stop there, sorry again!