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Why Ron Paul Voted For the Amnesty Bill
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Posted on 03/26/2002 6:34:05 AM PST by Sir Gawain

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To: Sir Gawain
Sounds like all the liars got their talking points from the White House. I guess this small paragraph must have been overlooked by all the RINO'S who voted for 245i.

Section 245(i) of the Act allows an alien to apply to adjust status under section 245 notwithstanding the fact that he or she entered without inspection, overstayed, or worked without authorization.

41 posted on 03/26/2002 9:05:09 AM PST by healey22
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To: sinkspur
Come on sinkspur, everyone has read the bill, we know it forwards and backwards, it is an amnesty because it also covers those that came into the country illegally. It enables sleeper terrorist, visa violators, to forge documents, grab a sponser, they have family members here in the USofA also, and escape the search that is begining for visa violators. It, in fact, protects a number of sleeper terrorists from the Visa Violators Legislation that was passed with 245i attached to it.

245i is a cloaked amnesty because they just keep renewing it and renewing it. All of these people should have been sent back to their native land until they could be investigated. If they want to speed up a proccess it should not be for those waiting for a green card that are here illegally, it should be sped up on the investigative end only.

There is no excuse for it, they can flap their jaws until kingdom come, they have failed the citizens of this nation and exposed us to more potential danger. If we loose a city due to a sleeper terrorist that used 245i to hide behind then you won't have to question the reasons so many of us are furious over 245i's passage.

42 posted on 03/26/2002 9:14:21 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: sinkspur
It's not an amnesty!

And Clinton didn't have sex with that woman.

44 posted on 03/26/2002 9:17:39 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Thanks for the heads-up, Victoria.

Congressman Paul confirms what most of us have been saying all along. On the whole, the legislation improves the security of our borders. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over the extension provided under section 245(i) is much ado about nothing. Dishonest dissembling by DemocRAT provocateurs to manipulate the easily manipulated.

45 posted on 03/26/2002 9:32:37 AM PST by William Wallace
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To: Sabertooth

There are conditional Amnesties and unconditional Amnesties. The "fine for their transgression" is hardly that, when after paying the fine the Illegals are allowed to continue transgressing

Read the bill.

When you are given a speeding ticket and pay it, is THAT amnesty? No, of course it is not. These people are given the opportunity to re-apply if they ARE ALREADY ELIGIBLE FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCY!!! They pay a fine, wait in line, and must prove sponsorship.

46 posted on 03/26/2002 9:37:56 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: FreeReign

By your logic then a person who commits a murder and is only forced to pay a fine is thus not receiving amnesty.

What on earth are you talking about? I hesitate to even attempt to explain the twistedness of what you have just written. Open a dictionary. Look up the word. See if it applies.

What on earth does this have to do with murder?

47 posted on 03/26/2002 9:41:16 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: William Wallace
On the whole, the legislation improves the security of our borders. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over the extension provided under section 245(i) is much ado about nothing.

Exactly. It prooves that even people here will blindly follow bombastic talk show hosts and their distortions of truth like the rest of the sheep.

48 posted on 03/26/2002 9:44:55 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: William Wallace
Well said, William.

Bump!

49 posted on 03/26/2002 9:52:33 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: FreeReign, Lazarus Long
I should have been clearer. I do not support open borders or illegal immigration.

I support legal, controlled, and very robust immigration, as well as an end to the welfare state.

I welcome immigrants to our shore who come to work, and have undergone a rigorous background check.

51 posted on 03/26/2002 9:56:32 AM PST by dead
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To: sixtycyclehum
It's not illegal to collect welfare for legal citizens. Children born in country are legal citizens regardless of parental nationality. This bill seems to try to close that lil loophole. How do you think that 39 billion gets to illegals? It goes to them as a way of paying for their in-country-born dependants I think.

I could be wrong here but that is the only way I can see this happening. What's the easiest way to get support from the gubment? Have some kids. If your kid is born in an American hospital (the hospital must perform the delivery regardless of ability to pay ect.) the child is given an American birth certificate and the parents are counseled on WIC, welfare, free medical services ect..

EBUCK

53 posted on 03/26/2002 10:03:29 AM PST by EBUCK
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To: tallhappy
Libertarians don't even believe in borders.

You obviously don't understand libertarianism. Libertarians are the strongest defenders of private borders, but we don't believe
(a) that the government has a right to tell you who to invite onto your property, or (b) that anyone (including a voting majority) has a right to take your money and give it to someone else. The quandary for libertarians on immigration issues is that U.S. immigration laws both tend to keep invited, productive people out of the country and do a lousy job of keeping uninvited guests out.

For example, I was told a few years ago by a photoprocessing machine vendor that he cannot find enough people in this country with the skills to service his machines and he can't import Germans who have those skills because of the bureaucratic maze that characterizes our immigration system. Hard working, highly productive people are being kept out of our country while welfare seekers who don't care about breaking laws are able to emigrate to the U.S. As long as people who call themselves "conservatives" keep electing presidents and Congresscritters who vote to continue to rob Peter to pay Paul (or Jose), this situation will continue.

54 posted on 03/26/2002 10:10:56 AM PST by ravinson
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To: sinkspur; Sabertooth
To me it boils down to fairness. Much like the SCOFLA tried to change the election rules in the middle of the process, it doesn't seem fair to me that these illegals can just ahead in the queue.
55 posted on 03/26/2002 10:20:28 AM PST by ironman
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56 posted on 03/26/2002 10:20:52 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Just look at where Rep. Paul's district is; Mexicans are a significant percentage of the voters there.
And who said Paul wouldn't bow to expediency?
57 posted on 03/26/2002 10:58:35 AM PST by Redbob
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To: sinkspur;Sabertooth
Let's repeat what Paul says.

This bill will also allow those who are "waiting in line" for their application to be processed to remain in this country, provided they have a sponsor.

BS. These people are not "waiting in line", because they have not applied for anything. If they applied they would be deported. 245(i) allows them to pay a fee, jump to the front of the line and forgo the background investigation.

Any way you word it, it is a form of amnesty - n 1: a period during which offenders are exempt from punishment.

$1,000.00 is not punishment.

58 posted on 03/26/2002 11:10:40 AM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: TomGuy

HR 190

A BILL To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. BASIS OF CITIZENSHIP CLARIFIED. In the exercise of its powers under section 5 of the Fourteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress has determined and hereby declares that any person born after the date of enactment of this Act to a mother who is neither a citizen or national of the United States nor admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident, and which person is a citizen or national of another country of which either of his or her natural parents is a citizen or national, or is entitled upon application to become a citizen or national of such country, shall be considered as born subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country and not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States within the meaning of section 1 of such Article and shall therefore not be a citizen of the United States or of any State solely by reason of birth in the United States.

I am 110% in agreement with the motivating sentiment behind this bill, but I don't see how it can pass constitutional muster. I am surprised that Ron Paul is supporting it.

59 posted on 03/26/2002 11:11:10 AM PST by murdoog
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To: Redbob

Mexicans are a significant percentage of the voters there. And who said Paul wouldn't bow to expediency?

You spew pure racist crap. Most Mexicans that are here legally already and who can vote do not support freely letting in people, by the way. And they don't tend to vote Republican.

60 posted on 03/26/2002 11:50:34 AM PST by Zviadist
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