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Why Ron Paul Voted For the Amnesty Bill
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Posted on 03/26/2002 6:34:05 AM PST by Sir Gawain

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To: Marine Inspector

allows them to pay a fee, jump to the front of the line and forgo the background investigation.

You are totally wrong. Read the bill.

61 posted on 03/26/2002 11:53:06 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: AmericanInTokyo;sabertooth
Remember this debate:

On March 12, 2002, Tancredo was on television debating amnesty for illegal aliens with Congressman Eliot Engel (D-NY), a self-hating Jewish politician unabashed in his support of Orwellian Bolshevism. Rather than admit, as his opponent claimed, that the White House was "pandering to the Hispanic vote," Engel stated boldly that the new laws "support reality. People may not like it that millions of illegal aliens are in the country, but it's a fact of life. We have to revisit our immigration policy [which Engel claims is too strict]. Bush is showing compassion and doing the right thing."

Tom Tancredo glumly debates immigration law with Eliot Engel

Engel to America: "Millions of illegal aliens? Get used to it!"
("It's a fact of life," says the self-hating Jew)

Jorge Bush spouts "melting pot" propaganda at Ellis Island (July 2001)
(Preparing pre-September 11th America for his massive amnesty measure)



62 posted on 03/26/2002 11:54:46 AM PST by majordivit
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To: Osage Orange
"So...the question begs: "When did, the government right hand know what the government left hand was doing?" I certainly don't know the answer...................."

I don't pretend to have the answer either. I mean there are cases of government agencies that don't communicate with each other. The most recent examples are the INS, and all of the alphabet Federal Law Enforcement Agencies in the 9/11 attack. I guess I'm just shocked to see this level of lack of Communication in the halls of Congress!

63 posted on 03/26/2002 11:56:27 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Zviadist
You are totally wrong. Read the bill.

I have read the bill and know more about 245(i) then you will ever know.

Please point out were I am wrong.

64 posted on 03/26/2002 11:57:36 AM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: sinkspur; All
I can't add anything more to the points you have made. I am so sick and disgusted I can't express myself without getting banned.
65 posted on 03/26/2002 12:00:48 PM PST by scholar
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To: Sir Gawain
zzzzzzzzz.......strike the tent!
66 posted on 03/26/2002 12:03:10 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: Sabertooth
"After paying the fine, they ought to be deported, just as any other burglar would be expected to leave your house."

You're still trying to bamboozle people with this flawed piece of circle-jerk logic?

A burglar's intent is not to stay in your house, so how does this BS of yours relate to anything being discussed?

After you've been burglarized, do you come home to find the perp sitting in your Castro recliner, drinking Mike's Hard Lemonade?

No, the burglar is gone.

However, it is encouraging to see that you have finally come to the realization that the $1000 is a fine, not a fee.

Yo quiero Taco Bell!

67 posted on 03/26/2002 12:11:12 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
However, it is encouraging to see that you have finally come to the realization that the $1000 is a fine, not a fee.

According to the law, it is neither a fee or a fine, it is a sum: "The Attorney General may accept such application only if the alien remits with such application a sum equaling $1,000."

It was worded like this to be politically correct. A fine would be offensive to the pro-immigration sector and a fee would be offensive to the anti-immigration sector. PC gone wild.

I finally listened to your show the other night. Great show and great info. I can't believe I had never heard about this incident before.

68 posted on 03/26/2002 12:38:59 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Zviadist
You are totally wrong. Read the bill.

They can't because then they wouldn't be able to complain

69 posted on 03/26/2002 12:53:35 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Marine Inspector

I have read the bill and know more about 245(i) then you will ever know.

Cute. But I doubt it.

There is no jumping in line, as they are only eligible to apply -- after meeting several requirements -- not to be considered first. The same background investigation that would be applicable to an applicant from outside the country is applicable under this extension. If you have read the extension and would care to cite where there has been any change in this, I would be very interested in seeing it.

70 posted on 03/26/2002 1:10:47 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Zviadist
By your logic then a person who commits a murder and is only forced to pay a fine is thus not receiving amnesty.

What on earth are you talking about? I hesitate to even attempt to explain the twistedness of what you have just written. Open a dictionary. Look up the word. See if it applies. What on earth does this have to do with murder?

Go to a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word amnesty and then the meaning of the word punishment. My example is clear. At best, you choose to hide behind insults.

71 posted on 03/26/2002 1:24:55 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Go to a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word amnesty

If you have read this thread, you will notice that I have actually posted a dictionary entry for the word.

72 posted on 03/26/2002 1:27:56 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: BillofRights
opinion?
73 posted on 03/26/2002 1:40:54 PM PST by christine
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To: Sir Gawain;Sabertooth
Yadda Yada Yada...everyone needs a bargining chip in Washington..Paul has his
74 posted on 03/26/2002 1:44:13 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Zviadist
applicable to an applicant from outside the country is applicable under this extension.

Wrong. When a visa applicant applies in his home country, the State Department does what is called a country background check. In this check they look for criminal violations in the aliens home country. Under 245(i) the applicant will only get a local US criminal check, done by a none law enforcement INS clerk. We will have no idea what type of criminal history these applicants may have in their home country.

And yes they do jump to the front of the line. Lets use Mexico as an example. Each year there are only a certain number of visa's available for Mexico, so let's say there are 1,000 visa's available each year for Mexico. Each year 2,000 immigrants apply for visa's, since there are only 1,000 available, the first 1,000 applicants receive the visa's for that year. The remainder are carried over to the next year. In year two, 2,000 more applications are received. Since those year two visa's are taken from the left over year one applicants, these applicants will be moved to years three and four, and so on and so on. As you can see there is a snowballing effect. This why in places like Mexico, The Philippians and Thailand, it takes 8 to 10 years to get a visa.

So now 245(i) get passed and 100 Mexicans apply and get approved, well those 100 Mexicans now get 100 of the year one visa's, and 100 of the original applicants in Mexico get bumped back to year two, and 100 of the year two applicants get bumped back to year three, and so on and so on. So yes they are getting front of the line privileges.

Also, since I'm school trained in Immigration Law, and have 4 1/2 years on the job training, I do think I know more about 245(i) then you will ever know.

75 posted on 03/26/2002 2:59:55 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Zviadist
Not when they are forced to pay a fine for their transgression.

They are not paying a fine, read the law: "The Attorney General may accept such application only if the alien remits with such application a sum equaling $1,000."

76 posted on 03/26/2002 3:06:35 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Luis Gonzalez
After you've been burglarized, do you come home to find the perp sitting in your Castro recliner, drinking Mike's Hard Lemonade?

No, the burglar is gone.

Right you are, Luis...

Illegals are worse than burglars, because they don't leave. Fine and deport.




77 posted on 03/26/2002 4:48:21 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Zviadist
When you are given a speeding ticket and pay it, is THAT amnesty?

It's worse than an Amnesty if you get to keep speeding.

Why do you want to reward Illegals for breaking the law?

BTW, I've read The Bill.
It's just a deadline extension for Illegals to apply to "change status."




78 posted on 03/26/2002 4:57:58 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Mo1
They can't (read the bill) because then they wouldn't be able to complain

Guess again...

It's the Bush Apologists who dare not read it.


AMNESTY by BUSH
The Truth About Section 245(i)


Click the link.

79 posted on 03/26/2002 5:04:33 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sir Gawain
Another great Freeper exchange bump!
80 posted on 03/26/2002 5:38:02 PM PST by PGalt
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