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Tobacco users need not apply
Orlando Sentinel ^ | March 27, 2002 | April Hunt and Susan Jacobson

Posted on 03/27/2002 12:09:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: one_particular_harbour
The Florida Supreme Court ruled that lower insurance costs outweigh the privacy of workers.

This is mind boggling and the implications of it are staggering to say the least.

21 posted on 03/27/2002 3:45:33 AM PST by riley1992
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In the first-ever policy of its kind in Central Florida, St. Cloud no longer will hire people who use tobacco. Sanford officials also may adopt the get-tough policy, which took effect Monday in the Osceola County city and is aimed at reducing health-care costs and improving productivity.
If tobacco can indeed be considered to be addictive, this policy violates the ADA. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

-Eric

22 posted on 03/27/2002 3:46:15 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Jane G
Can I borrow a cig? I'm about out and it's cold and icy outside? I guess they won't want me and my brains but they will take an idiot who overdoses on valium!
24 posted on 03/27/2002 3:49:26 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: one_particular_harbour
Why the hell don't they just refuse to offer health insurance to smokers who don't quit? Give them a health insurance subsidy to find their own policy - and what about single smokers vis-a-vis nonsmokers with large families (of which the spouse may smoke), who usually get these kinds of jobs just for the benefits?

It also makes me sick when I hear about smoking's "cost to society." Nobody ever informed me when I was growing up that society had a claim to the fruits of my efforts, I thought it was a FREE country.

25 posted on 03/27/2002 3:52:30 AM PST by TN Republican
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To: prisoner6
We're all on work release in the Big Camp.
26 posted on 03/27/2002 3:54:46 AM PST by metesky
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To: riley1992
The Florida Supreme Court

Big surprise, huh? When you view this in the context of their activism in trying to get algore elected in 2000, it all makes sense.

The first of these Clymers comes up on the ballot in the general election in November for re-affirmation. I am going to vote NO early and often.

27 posted on 03/27/2002 3:55:38 AM PST by otterpond
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To: Jane G
An illustration of my experience in the workplace:

Non-smoker: "Aaaaaargh! I cut my finger on the copy paper. I'm bleeding! I have to go the infirmary for antibiotics and bandages - cover for me!! Be back in a couple of hours".

Smoker: "Whoops, I severed my finger in the machinery. Never mind, I'll just pack the wound with tobacco. There. OK, let's get back to work".

Ok, maybe a bit hyperbolic, but the biggest crybabies I've ever worked with have all been non-smokers. The smokers more often than not just to tend to keep on goin', no matter.

28 posted on 03/27/2002 3:55:47 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Calico Cat
City officials defended the anti-smoking measure...

I wonder what would happen if we lined up EVERY city official and made them piss in a cup and take a drug test.

Surely they would defend that.


29 posted on 03/27/2002 3:57:43 AM PST by unixfox
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Would this concept fly if the criteria for hiring were changed?

Administrators in the city of 19,000 say refusing to hire people with AIDS will hold down the cost of health insurance, which is rising 30 percent a year...."The bottom line is health economists and the surgeon general have endorsed the idea that AIDS patients are costing their employers and the overall economy."

30 posted on 03/27/2002 4:04:49 AM PST by GOPmember
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To: GOPmember
That thought crossed my mind too.
31 posted on 03/27/2002 4:07:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: riley1992
This is mind boggling and the implications of it are staggering to say the least.

I think this is one of the reasons they're pushing so hard to have guns labled a health issue.

32 posted on 03/27/2002 4:09:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
St. Cloud/Kissimmee have adopted the Disney Management approach to everything. Their commitment to outragous laws and regulation go so far as to offer jail time for bumper stickers deemed "vulgar" and have instituted the physical measurement approach with cash fines to home owners who let their lawn grass exceed 3 1/2 inches. They allow private home owners to install speed bumps on city roadways at random and their school board is so nuts they require armed guards for each meeting. City officials have constently been replaced, reprimanded, and fined for using city employees, on city time to refurbish their private homes and repair personal vehicles, offered up huge tax incentives for the local Super Wal-mart after it threatened to leave town if they were not allowed to break the storeage container by-laws for retail business on their little stretch of rt 192, etc. etc....After 17 years I gave up and moved out.
33 posted on 03/27/2002 4:12:37 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: E Rocc
If tobacco can indeed be considered to be addictive, this policy violates the ADA. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

Gosh, wouldn't that entitle smokers a check under the citizens with disablities act.

34 posted on 03/27/2002 4:12:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GeronL
Fried food is next, salty snacks and meat products won't be far behind.

Bump!

35 posted on 03/27/2002 4:14:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: JoeSixPack1
We have a law that allows our grass to be only so high. If it gets too high, the city mows it and charges you. This city is a medium to low income town, code enforcement is always on someone's butt to paint their homes, etc. No rvs are allowed in the driveway (I guess you have to hide them from public view). A bunch of stupid laws made to benefit a few stupid people.
36 posted on 03/27/2002 4:17:00 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: JoeSixPack1
St. Cloud/Kissimmee.....

I remember when Orlando was a nice town on the drive from St. Petersburg to Daytona Beach.
Now it's wall to wall strip malls and amusement parks.

37 posted on 03/27/2002 4:18:47 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jane G
If hubby wasn't sawing logs right now, he'd be on his 4th or 5th cig with his coffee. In fact he probably is MORE at risk health and life wise trying to work in Memphis UNARMED. There were 158 homicides there last year.

BUT I THOUGHT CONN HAD AN INCOME TAX, A SALES TAX AND GAMBLING? THEN HOW CAN THEY BE BROKE???? Gail

States Mulling New `Sin Taxes'

By MATTHEW DALY .c The Associated Press

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - First it was cigarettes. Now it's beer, wine - even candy.

A few weeks after Connecticut lawmakers approved a 61-cent-per-pack increase in the state's cigarette tax, they are considering a plan to double taxes on alcohol and impose new taxes on sales of some sugary snacks.

And if one state lawmaker has his way, the state's 6 percent sales tax might be extended to yarn, seeds and some other ``optional products.''

At least nine revenue-strapped states have recently looked at ``sin taxes'' to help balance the budget, said Lee Dixon, a health policy analyst with the National Conference of State Legislatures. Besides Connecticut, alcohol tax increases have been proposed in Alaska, Hawaii, Kansas, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oregon, South Carolina and Tennessee, he said.

Democrats, who control the Connecticut General Assembly, say plans are preliminary as they look to close a $1 billion, two-year budget gap. But that hasn't stopped Republicans from denouncing what they call an attack on Joe Six-Pack and his Twinkie-eating siblings.

``From beer drinkers and home gardeners to grandmothers knitting baby clothes, no one is safe when the Democrats are on a taxing frenzy,'' said House Republican Leader Robert Ward.

``It's not a sin to eat apple pie. It's not a sin to drink alcohol in a moderate way,'' he said.

In Hawaii, the Senate has approved a 50 percent increase in the state liquor tax, only half the increase proposed by Gov. Ben Cayetano, while the House approved an unspecified increase in the tobacco tax.

``Alcohol doesn't help anybody, and if I could wipe out alcohol with a law I'd do it. The same thing with tobacco,'' Cayetano said Tuesday.

``If people want to use it, then they should pay because the cost to the state government in terms of health care, in terms of welfare and all of that is very, very large,'' he said.

As proposed, Connecticut's tax rate on liquor would jump from $4.50 per gallon to $9 per gallon.

The bill would also remove a sales tax exemption on candy and other sweets purchased in school cafeterias, nursing homes, hospitals and other large institutions. Those items are already taxed when bought at convenience stores, though they are considered groceries - and non-taxable - when bought at a grocery store.

Separately, a key lawmaker wants to lift sales tax exemptions on yarn purchased for non-commercial use, vegetable seeds - flower seeds are already taxed - and even health club memberships.

``These so-called sin taxes are all on optional products and can be additional revenue sources for the state,'' says Sen. Martin Looney, co-chairman of the Legislature's tax-writing Finance Committee.

Most of the ideas will go nowhere, said Senate President Pro Tem Kevin Sullivan, a Democrat from West Hartford. Still, he said, ``There is an issue of fairness and balance. People want to talk about all options.''

Connecticut Democrats said they are building on Republican Gov. John G. Rowland's call to raise the state tax on cigarettes by 61 cents per pack. The increase takes effect April 3 and will make Connecticut's $1.11 per pack tax the third-highest in the nation.

Some liquor-buyers said they think the tax increase is a good idea.

``I wouldn't go for doubling, but maybe 20 percent would be OK,'' said Harry Shook of West Hartford, who was buying a case of port at Rogers Fine Liquors in West Hartford.

``I don't think it should only be smokers'' who pay higher taxes, Shook said. ``Everybody should share it.''

Sentiment at a recent public hearing was decidedly different.

A spokesman for beer brewer Anheuser-Busch said the plan would ``increase a regressive and inequitable tax that hits working families the hardest.''

Steve Leon, owner of Steve's Price Cutters Liquors in Wethersfield, said the plan would just encourage Connecticut residents to drive out of state to buy a case of beer. It also would discourage residents of neighboring states from coming into Connecticut to buy alcohol, Leon and other critics said.

The proposal could cost as much $500,000 in liquor revenue and eliminate as many as 2,000 jobs, said Peter Cressy, president of the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States.

38 posted on 03/27/2002 4:22:58 AM PST by GailA
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To: Jaidyn
The ACLU came to St. Cloud back in 1993(?) and demanded the 3 crosses that sat atop the city water tower since the 1940's be removed. The city caved in almost immediately. The defiance to ACLU had 40% of the towns home owners putting 3 wood crosses in their front yards only to be harrassed by the St. Cloud PD as having illegal road signs too close to "sleepy city streets", backed up by newly enacted fines with increase penalty clause's for non-compliance. They actually wrote code as to how a cross can be displayed.
39 posted on 03/27/2002 4:27:27 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1
I am happy to say that we voted out all the democrats in the county last year. We still have the democratic mayor who is not in good standing right now so we can say ta-ta to him the next go round. Maybe we can repeal some of these laws. We have a sound ordinance that's being enforced. Though I hate the loud rap crap and the vibrations of the bass, it goes away as the drivers speed by. These kids are getting fined big time. When I was a kid, we were worse because we did a lot more cruising.
40 posted on 03/27/2002 4:32:02 AM PST by Jaidyn
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