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(FReeper) Alzona accused of "Trivializing Mass Murder" by Washington comPost editorial columnist
The Washington Post ^ | March 2002 | Colby King

Posted on 03/28/2002 4:15:03 PM PST by Hail Caesar

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Hail Caesar
"should Alzona apologize?"

Sure... Right after winged primates depart from Colby King's nether regions!

121 posted on 03/29/2002 11:42:10 AM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: Hail Caesar
Badda-bump
122 posted on 03/29/2002 11:47:57 AM PST by stanz
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To: Hail Caesar
JPFO rocks the house. I have their "raise your right hand" poster -- saw it at a gun show, Ooooo! ... Talk about making a point.

Thanks for the post -- ave, Caesar!

"LG"

123 posted on 03/29/2002 11:50:17 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: a_witness; Hail Caesar
The Nazis occupy a special place in hell. He diminishes their evil when he makes an inappropriate comparison and he insults Americans who share different political views. It is beyond the pale and shows a lack of gravitas on his part, to say the least.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Nazis, but I don't see how this parody poster diminishes their evil. The 60's sitcom Hogan's Heroes painted Col. Klink and Sgt. Schultz as lovable buffoons. However, to suggest that Hogan's Heroes diminished the evil of the Holocaust is to overstate the significance of Hogan's Heroes. It's only a dumb sitcom and this is only a satirical poster.

Further, I don't think the comparison was inappropriate since the confiscation of privately owned firearms was an indispensible ingredient in Hitler's rise to power. It was preceded by the registration of firearms and identification of German citizens owning guns. What other purpose does registration serve besides telling the gun-grabbers where to find the guns that aren't turned in? The Maryland democrats' gun-registration/owner ID scheme is actually more flagrant than similar actions by the Nazis because they do so in flagrant violation of our explicit constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

In hindsight, perhaps it would have been prudent to leave out the words "Final Solution" from the poster, which gives the selectively-outraged like this comPost bottom-feeder ammunition to falsely smear Alzona with charges of anti-Semitism. It's obvious (to me anyway) that Alzona was just trying to be clever, not seriously implying that the Maryland Dims are mass murderers. If that had been the intent, then I'd agree the comparison was inappropriate. But I think it's clear that wasn't the intent.

It would be interesting to see if this comPost hack displayed similar umbrage over far more egregious examples of anti-Semitism by public figures far better known than Gus Alzona.

Did he call Jessie Jackson an anti-Semite when Jackson famously referred to NYC as "Hymietown"?

Was he outraged over Louis Farrakhan's or Al Sharpton's incendiary hate speech toward Jews?

Did he repudiate the NAACP when they ran that vile ad equating George W. Bush with the lynching of James Byrd?

Did he denounce each Democrat official when they collectively played the NAZI and RACE cards a gazillion times over the past decade?

Somehow I doubt it.

124 posted on 03/29/2002 11:59:12 AM PST by William Wallace
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To: joanie-f, RFP, BraveMan, RaceBannon, William Wallace, Steve Schulin, Landru, Eustace, Abundy
Posted a couple days ago:

My first reaction upon reading this was that Mr. Alzona has the right idea, but that his unfortunately less-than-prudent political tactics may prove to come back and bite him (hard, and where it hurts).

If (as has been asserted on this thread) he distributed this flier only to members of the state senate and house judiciary committees, and ‘offended democrats’ are responsible for seeing to it that it made its way into the hands of the (complicit) media, then the much ado appears to be the result of the simple fact that the truth hurts. And Mr. Alzona (possible lack of political savvy aside) appears to have hit a nerve (or two, or ten….) among the disarmament crowd. In which case, I offer him a personal (out-of-state, so for whatever it’s worth) ‘Bravo!’

The local Jewish organizations’ (Jewish Community Council, American Jewish Committee, Anti-Defamation League) assertion that Mr. Alzona’s flier ‘trivializes the holocaust’ is disingenuous, at best. His flier might just be one man’s attempt to prevent a recurrence of that about which they are (justifiably) so sensitive.

As for the calls for Alzona’s resignation from the Montgomery County Committee on Hate/Violence (a committee which, judging from the name alone, would be suspect of being nothing more than a vehicle for promoting and promulgating social engineering diversity propaganda), I say to Mr. Alzona, ‘Why not do the resignation thing?’ (not because you are not fit to serve, but because it appears that the serving may be beneath you. Your time might be better spent on worthwhile endeavors.)

A very good friend of mine lives in Montgomery County. I have heard much about (what passes for) the legal/judicial system there, and it doesn’t surprise me that the likes of Frosh/Van Hollen/Shriver are pressing for the repudiation of a Montgomery County man who voices opposition to a bill which would include (or no doubt eventually lead to) registration, fingerprinting, photographing, numbering and licensing of all Maryland's gun owners. It is that particular it’s for the good of society at large aspect of the Nazi regime to which Alzona seems to be referring....and for which those of us with even a minimal knowledge of the original intent of Second Amendment, and a minimal knowledge of events in '38-'44 Germany, are capable of connecting the dots.

Frosh, Van Hollen, Shriver and their ilk need to be aware that, even if their efforts at circumventing the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed are successful in (what passes for) the ‘legal’ sense, they have a monumental uphill implementation battle looming.

....a successful policy of domestic disarmament must be preceded by an attempt to register all firearms currently owned. In fact, the German Nazi regime used registration records as a precursor to, or as a means of, confiscating guns within its own borders and within its territorial acquisitions, and many gun owners are aware of this historical precedent. Fear of confiscation is one reason for such little compliance with current registration laws where they have been enacted in America. New York's Sullivan Law, the first major licensing and registration scheme imposed in twentieth-century America, is ignored by millions of New Yorkers. In Illinois it is estimated that about 75% of handgun owners are in noncompliance with the state's registration law....Assessing the Case for Firearms Prohibition (Maryland Law Review)....Little and Kopel

If Alzona and the Maryland Chapter of the Tyranny Response Team can be successful in keeping mindless passion out of the Second Amendment debate, they will be well on their way to the goal of awakening the citizens of Maryland to the fact that a realistic discussion is what is needed in order to not disarm the general public, but to subdue that (very small) proportion of the populace which seeks to use guns against others.

Even after this particular much ado is over, and its outcome dictates the (short-term) Second Amendment atmosphere in the state of Maryland, one thing is certain: The people of Maryland….and the American people in general….have historically been armed, and are resolved to remain so.

78 posted on 3/24/02 2:49 PM Pacific by joanie-f

125 posted on 03/29/2002 12:18:02 PM PST by WhatPriceFreedom?
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To: joanie-f
See post 82 for a followup.
126 posted on 03/29/2002 12:19:01 PM PST by WhatPriceFreedom?
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To: Hail Caesar
An egregious ass is more like it.

Well Gee ... looks like someone is upset .. lol

127 posted on 03/29/2002 12:32:09 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Hail Caesar
My kind of FReeper! Wear it as a badge of honor. For victory & freedom!!!
128 posted on 03/29/2002 12:38:40 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Hail Caesar
Trivialising the horrors of the SS? Someone does not know what observability and controlability means. Since when law makers could enact laws defining people according to their businesses as one would define animals with claws and others herbivores without claws.

Clearly the gun registration law is a law making the law abiding gun owner (or gun free) a subhuman and the criminal a human who can behave to his own jurisdictional discretion.

129 posted on 03/29/2002 12:48:42 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: dutchy
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130 posted on 03/29/2002 12:59:22 PM PST by n.y.muggs
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To: WhatPriceFreedom?
I was told that our Revolution came about because the English central bankers were trying to outlaw guns in America, besides the taxes the bankers were charging.

The list of major stockholders of America's central bank, the federal reserve, that I have are:

Rothschild: London and Berlin

Just a side note about Rothschild's he was responsible for getting Israel placed where it is after the Boar War as part of the peace agreement. Pretty convenient for a family who makes money off of wars.The Rothschild family financed both the North and the South in our Civil War. Rothschild's also sent Jacob Schiff (Al Gore's daughters married name) to America to get control of the railroads, which he did. The railroads were used to make Rockefeller America's oil king.

Lazard Bros.: Paris

Israel Seiff: Italy

Kuhn-Loeb Company: Germany

Warburg: Hamburg, Amsterdam,the Netherlands

A side note about Paul Warburg also known as "Daddy Warbucks" because of how he made his money, he was also sent to America by Rothschild, to get control of America's banks, which he did. Paul Warburg was the chief architect of the federal reserve act. He got it passed by tricking the opposition to the act into going home for Christmas by telling them it would take weeks to settle their differences, then he got it passed the next day unopposed. Teddy Roosevelt came out of retirement to split his party so Wilson would win and and be able to sign the act, the federal reserve act was tried earlier under a different name but failed.The bankers figured the American people would buy it if they thought it was connected to their government. The federal reserve is a privately owned central bank.

Here's a quote by Thomas Jefferson about central banks.

" The Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution. I am an enemy to all banks, discounting bills or notes for anything but coin. If the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Gee, it only took 89 years.

And here's a quote by Paul Warburg's son, James Paul Warburg on February 17, 1950 before the U.S. Senate.

"We shall have World government whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

Lehman Bros. :New York

Goldman and Sachs: New York

And last but not least the Rockefellers.

I think it's a very good possibility that these are the people who want our guns taken away and our Constitution replaced with their UN constitution.

And before the antisemite accusations start, I don't hate Jews.And it seems funny to me that people calling themselves Jewish would come to the defense of some of these families which financed the governments that slaughtered their own people.Which appears to have given them a very tough shield of "Antisemetism" to hide behind as they destroy our country for their benefit.

131 posted on 03/29/2002 1:54:45 PM PST by Eustace
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To: Hail Caesar
Connie Morela has no sense of humor. That's why she's described as a Liberal!
132 posted on 03/29/2002 3:00:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Eustace
B.S., Rockefeller made his billions by cheating my GGrandpa Hovis' brother out of his oil wells.

You people who want to keep on giving other people credit are one real mess.

133 posted on 03/29/2002 4:23:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Yeah, Rockefeller did that stuff too.

But with the railroads help he was able to find out who was trying to ship oil and how much. Then the railroad wouldn't ship competitors oil and went so far as to lose it.

That's when a man came up with the "pipeline" to get his oil to the shipyards. But everywhere he tried to build a pipeline the railroad would run parallel to him preventing him from reaching his goal. By the time he got his pipeline past the railroad, the ships wouldn't take his oil.

Rockefeller was also the only one able to transport oil with railcars. His competitors had to ship their oil in 55 gallon barrels, with a charge on each barrel.

After Rockefeller came up with the "rebate", his competitors actually ended up paying his shipping costs.

Sorry about your GGrampa's brother.

134 posted on 03/29/2002 8:16:41 PM PST by Eustace
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To: Hail Caesar
Maybe the flier should have shown them as Soviet commissars instead.

They probably would be honored.

135 posted on 04/01/2002 5:05:46 AM PST by VoodooEconomist
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To: Hail Caesar
Should Alzona apologize?

Only if his opponents will respond by saying, "Okay; I'm satisfied now."

In other words: No.

136 posted on 04/01/2002 8:33:01 AM PST by SMASH IMPERIALIST LIBERALISM!!
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