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Mounting evidence links TV viewing to violence
Christian Science Monitor ^ | Friday, March 29, 2002 | By Mark Sappenfield | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Posted on 03/29/2002 3:42:52 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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Friday, March 29, 2002

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1 posted on 03/29/2002 3:42:52 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2;Khepera;*SASU; JMJ333; Tourist Guy; EODGUY; proud2bRC; abandon; Khepera; Dakmar; RichInOC
Let me see if I can paraphrase the problems: More violence, less morality in a Godless America, more homosexuality, less authority of parents over their children, a school system out of control and goverment run by liberals... causes children to be more violent...
2 posted on 03/29/2002 3:49:50 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: JohnHuang2
Isn't it amazing how everything these psycho-babblers spew out always turns around and bites them on the arses.

I can remember the days when these "ex-purts" were all saying that a little mush head could separate TV from reality and that TV/movies had no effect on real behavior.

Unfortunately, no matter how many times they are discredited their numbers grow like roaches.

3 posted on 03/29/2002 3:51:22 AM PST by evad
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4 posted on 03/29/2002 3:52:14 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: foreverfree
I think violence on TV does desensitise kids to violence later in life. I also think the government has no buiness regulating television. I have been preaching for years that kids are better off without TV. That is what we need to convince parents of. If you are going to use TV as a baby sitter, at least don't use TV and movies with a lot of graphic violence. I wouldn't worry about the Roadrunner and Bugs Bunny.
5 posted on 03/29/2002 3:59:37 AM PST by marktwain
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To: JohnHuang2
If the messages on TV had no effect, why do advertisers pay billions a year to run their commercials?
6 posted on 03/29/2002 4:07:56 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Lt Col David Grossman www.killogy.com has been saying for YEARS that TV violence is training our kids to kill. That the military use similar training techniques to train troops.
7 posted on 03/29/2002 4:15:37 AM PST by GailA
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To: JohnHuang2
Why is it that people always want to blame a thing, instead of the person? Parents need to do their jobs, and can't put thie kids on auto-pilot. The fact that now everyone wants an elimination of TV violence, as opposed to taking responsibility tells me that the average American Parent doesn't want to deal with raising their kids. Parents are too involved in their own lives to be involved with their kids. Why is that I wonder???

Well, here's a little light to shine on the mystery.

Liberals want control over everything. The best way to control everything is to become the problem and the solution to the problem. Here's why. The liberal media glorifies everything. Unfortunately it's never anything of moral value, or decency. They promote gay agendas, they glorify drug dealing and criminal behaviors. The Media makes icons of promiscuous men and women. The media paints everyone as a victim, no matter if they were Adolf Hitler.

Then, that's when the Liberal constituency and government takes over. Pretty soon you see people like the Million moron march, or the PMRC demanding that there be rights and freedoms taken away for the good of the children. When things are bad enough everyone, including conservatives jump in the wagon. Pretty soon, you don't have gun rights, you don't have the right to free speech, then pretty soon, you won't have any say in your life what so ever.

Parental controls, monitoring what your children watch, read and listen to, that's a better answer than banning everything. When you people like me what we can and can't read, can and can't think, can and can't say, you are destroying freedom.

I was in the army, and I was trained to kill people. The media only wishes it had that kind of power over people. DO you see me doing what I was programmed to do by our government? No. Why? Because I know the difference between right and wrong. Why is that? Let's see, I had parents that corrected my bad behaviors. That of course was when you could still beat your kids. Did I turn out okay? Yeah I'd like to think so. Do I watch TV? Rarely. Do I listen to music, All the time. Do I read book about things that are violent? I read the bible when I can.

The people who are screaming the loudest for censorship, are the same people who don't take care of their kids. Rather than waste your time screaming to the heavens for change, start raising your kids the right way and it won't matter what's in the media. Liberals want everyone to live in a controlled environment, except them because it hurts their self esttem or infringes on their individuality. It's funny because the definition of a liberal is to be the opposite of someone who wants conformity, and control.

Parents need to do their jobs. If they don't their kids will be influenced by people or things they shouldn't be. If parents were able to be the strong guiding force in their children's lives, instead of having their parental rights neutered by trial lawyers and liber special interest, there wouldn't be any of this nonsense. The liberals are the cause of this problem. They represent all of those things in each one of us that we find to be wrong or distasteful. Not all Liberals are bad, just the ones who are trying to control my thoughts, my ideas, and my life.

The Liberals of this country need to shut up. They need to go back to the homes they have and raise their kids, instead of telling me what I can and can't read, listen to or watch. If you have children, then by God take responsibility for them. If you want to have a kid, but don't want to raise them, then give the kid up for adoption to a REAL family who will love and raise that child to be a decent human being. If you're a parent and are hamstrung by the legalities of raising your child the right way, do something to change those laws. Get a lawyer to keep you safe while you discipline your kid. Liberal media, and liberal government have brought about the decline of the American Family.

Now, the trugh about liberals.

A better word for liberal, is Nazi. An even better word would be Dictator. Liberalism is oppression. If you want to be oppressed, vote liberal. If you want freedom, become a sovereign citizen. Do not let the liberals fool you, they are not about your rights, they do not care about what is good for you. They want to take from you all they can and give it to some lazy moron who doesn't want to take responsibility for themselves, or their actions.

8 posted on 03/29/2002 4:31:20 AM PST by MadRobotArtist
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I'm only violent when I can't find the #@%*ing remote.
9 posted on 03/29/2002 4:51:04 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: JohnHuang2
Children are very impressionable. Unfortunately many family will not or are unable to provide neessary supervision what their children see on TV. While a few have opted for no TV, but during teen years they cannot control what they see at friends' homes.

Already many years ago the negative impact of TV was documented. Now in show after show negative, destructive values are promoted by prime time TV. While many people are in a frenzy about impact of smoking on children, I find the impact of the values promoted in films and on TV far more damaging.

10 posted on 03/29/2002 5:37:13 AM PST by Dante3
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I think violence on TV does desensitise kids to violence later in life.
One thing that being in an audience (real or, as with TV, virtual) does is to accustom you to reacting emotionally but not physically. Thus no matter how many times you watch a horror you cannot intercede in the imaginary (in the case of journalism real) event. You can only attend so many plays; it is the movies and especially TV journalism which really mass-produces that effect.
I also think the government has no buiness regulating television.
You and I are thrilled to be able to type text and have some hope that others--in principle the whole world--will pay attention. There are however thousands (millions?) of web sites, and we have to find one which
a) will publish what we want to say, and
b) attracts a significant readership.
By formatting the wireless spectrum--strictly speaking, by censoring radio transmission by we-the-people--the government created radio and television broadcasting. The few teachers' pets to whom the government grants and renews broadcast licenses are empowered to try to get our attention on a highly preferential basis. That is highly discriminatory, and "freedom of the press" does not describe it--not at all.
I have been preaching for years that kids are better off without TV. That is what we need to convince parents of. If you are going to use TV as a baby sitter, at least don't use TV and movies with a lot of graphic violence.
At best broadcasting allows you to get timely weather and traffic reports, and to indulge your passion for sports. Broadcast entertainment is an attractive nuisance like the neighbor's unfenced and unguarded swimming pool, and journalism is nonfiction entertainment.

Journalism is also politics. Books, newspapers, magazines, signs, bumper stickers, and the INTERNET are entirely adequate to conduct political discourse--and they have never been subject to government censorship. True Campaign Reform would simply ban politics from radio and TV. Thus eliminating any governmental preference for anyone to propound their political viewpoint--and slashing the importance of $$$ in politics.

11 posted on 03/29/2002 5:44:49 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: GailA
I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

I agree the level of violence on TV and in the movies is way out of control (reason I don't watch much of the first, or go out to the second).

What I don't understand is your bringing the military into the discussion. I don't remember receiving any such training. But then again, Isn't it the job of the military to kill people and break things?

12 posted on 03/29/2002 5:52:20 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: marktwain
I have been preaching for years that kids are better off without TV. That is what we need to convince parents of. If you are going to use TV as a baby sitter, at least don't use TV and movies with a lot of graphic violence.
At best broadcasting allows you to get timely weather and traffic reports, and to indulge your passion for sports. Broadcast entertainment is an attractive nuisance like the neighbor's unfenced and unguarded swimming pool,

And the danger posed by that nuisance threatens you if your neighbor responds to it, your own virtue notwithstanding.

13 posted on 03/29/2002 5:55:44 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
An excellent analysis that government regulations created the television and radio networks. I refer to this as the nationalization of the air waves. Was it Hoover or Rooseveldt that did this?
14 posted on 03/29/2002 6:03:20 AM PST by marktwain
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15 posted on 03/29/2002 6:07:15 AM PST by foreverfree
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Let's see here: Cigarette ads on TV cause kids to smoke, violence on TV leads to violence in kids but sex on TV doesn't affect kids at all. Got it.
16 posted on 03/29/2002 6:08:49 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: MadRobotArtist
Parental controls, monitoring what your children watch, read and listen to, that's a better answer than banning everything.

I refer you to my #11 and #13 . .

. When you [tell] people like me what we can and can't read, can and can't think, can and can't say, you are destroying freedom.

. . . but to the extent that you think that broadcasting is speech, the FCC censors you almost absolutely.

17 posted on 03/29/2002 6:16:20 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: JohnHuang2
Same crap every day from this crowd. Where are the parents? It's the parent's job to instill morality in their children, nobody else's. When I was 6 I saw the Godfather (mom couldn't find a babysitter, we had long talks before and after about it), I've love mob movies ever since. But I haven't whacked anybody, there are no holes in the desert that I've dug. Why? I was raised with morals. I know that killing and violence are wrong unless in defense of yourself or loved ones.

Meanwhile on the other side of the planet we have people raised largely sans TV strapping bombs on themselves and blowing up teenagers for the crime of eating pizza. Why? Because they weren't raised with morals, they don't understand when violence is appropriate.

This is a world made by adults for the consumption of adults. We should gear all our entertainment to what's "appropriate" for kids. We should actually raise our kids, limit their exposure to that which we think is inappropriate and help them have the emotional and moral grounding necessary to deal with that stuff when they do encounter (eventually they always will, sometimes you can put it off until adulthood, but eventually they always find out what goes on in the real world). If you use the TV as a baby sitter you're gonna get a screwed up kid, whether they watch Goodfellas or Barney, doesn't matter. Kids need parental involvement much more than they need sanitized entertainment.

18 posted on 03/29/2002 6:21:22 AM PST by discostu
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Wasn't really trying to make any particular point. Just add to the discussion the Lt. Col's views, which I would think have more bearing than say that of some social engineering brain. After all it is his responsibility to train fighting men and women.

On a personal note from observing how I react to just music when the music is calm and soothing my mood is mellow. BUT when it is angry sounding I tend to be more on edge.

As a homicide victim's survivor I've stopped watching violent movies/TV as it disturbs me to much. In the past I never thought about it one way or the other.

I find these studies interesting. With these new findings then the prisons and jails need to BAN all violent TV as they incite the inmates to more violence.

19 posted on 03/29/2002 6:42:00 AM PST by GailA
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Lt Col David Grossman www.killogy.com has been saying for YEARS that TV violence is
training our kids to kill. That the military use similar training techniques to train troops.


Funny, when I was a tyke, I learned that killing bad guys and evildoers was a pretty
good thing after watching too many episodes of "Bonanza" and the like.

Despite living in a house with two shotguns and a rifle, I never even considered
shooting anyone.

I guess the problem today is that the kids get a lot trashier kind of violence and moral
consequence is not tied to the use of force.
20 posted on 03/29/2002 6:43:08 AM PST by VOA
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