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Forced from our home by local Tax increases

Posted on 04/01/2002 7:23:38 AM PST by tcostell

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To: Phantom Lord
Not to sound rude, but with a nearly $600,000 house you are not going to get any sympathy from me, and others I supose. If a $600,000 house is needed to have the room to raise a family you sound like an elitest snob and now your complaining that you seem to have bitten off more than you can chew.

You'd be lucky to get a 2-bedroom flat for that price in S.F.  Until you know what he has, don't be so quick to make a snap-judgement.  Some places, that is a lot of house, others it is piddling.
42 posted on 04/01/2002 8:13:13 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: PatrioticAmerican
If I were to rewrite the Constitution, I'd forbid taxes on owned property. Taxes on owned property is nothing more than rent of the property. Either you own something or you do not. If you pay rent on it, you do not.

I would forbid any tax that could be enforced by confiscation or threat of imprisonment or loss of freedom. That would do away with taxes on real and personal property, income taxes, taxes disguised as "fees". A sales tax would be the only allowable type of tax and it would be capped at 10% for federal, state, and local COMBINED.

43 posted on 04/01/2002 8:13:56 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: tcostell
Sell your home, move to the South, buy twice the home with half of your proceeds, and put your children in a private school.
44 posted on 04/01/2002 8:15:14 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Spoken like a true Marxist. Jealousy through and through. Just because this person's property is worth more, he should pay more than you do?

No one said that. We simply can not understand why someone would live in an area where they tax you nearly $20,000 a year on a $600,000 home when in 90% of the country, taxes would be 1/4 or less on a home of the same relative value. And I said relative value, because his home is probably not that nice as compared to a $600,000 home in most any other area of the country.

I agree with you that the taxing of owned property should not be allowed. Until we change that, we are stuck with it. Your REAL options are accept that you live in a socialist State or move to another State.

45 posted on 04/01/2002 8:18:30 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Phantom Lord
Your insinuation that they should have budget for 30% tax increases, and therefore, have bitten off more than they can chew is elitist snobbery at best. I think Marxist class envy is more likely.

These people bought into the best neighborhood they could afford and it turned out to be a great investment. And because of it, they can either move, or have the local government confiscate their land. This could happen to anyone, and probably will if everyone else has your attitude.

46 posted on 04/01/2002 8:19:26 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: tcostell
Come on down to Florida. We have no state income tax and the annual increase in real estate taxes on one's principal residence is limited by a fairly recent state constitutional amendment to I believe three percent a year. Our schools are not the best in the country but Jeb is working hard to make them better while keeping taxes low.
47 posted on 04/01/2002 8:20:06 AM PST by TheCPA
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To: blackdog
Where I used to live, the politicians are busy jacking everyone's property taxes up (and up and up, if the successive year's assessments are any indication). No good explanation of why this is happening now has been forthcoming, but I think it might have something to do with the new, bright and shiny pro sports stadiums they just put up with taxpayer dollars.
48 posted on 04/01/2002 8:22:02 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have no envy, but as pointed out by another, and myself, if you leverage yourself to the point that such a monthly increase in expenses puts you over the breaking point you have bitten off more than you can chew.

I watch it happen to friends on an almost regular basis. They decide to buy a big fancy car or two, a home that is far larger than their needs, go on expensive vacations, buy expensive 'toys', and then when the bills get to be a little to much for them to handle they start bitching about it. They have to sell things to pay off debt and sometimes claim BK. I feel zero sympathy for them when the situation is of their own making. Not saying that is the case with tcostell. But he does seem to have bought a home that put him and his wife to close to the financial edge.

Another quick story. One of my wifes friends (who I really do not like and will enjoy seeing her crash and burn) is trying to sell her current home for $108,000. Has been on the market for 6 months, which here in RTP NC is an eternity. This being the case, she has decided to go ahead and purchase a home for $130,000 with 100% financing. The home appraised at $135,000. Now here is the kicker. She is also taking out a $50,000 loan to do some home improvements. So she is basically paying $180,000 for a $135,000 home! And the home improvements will have a minimal impact on the market value of the home. Espeically since not a single square foot will be added to its size. It is mostly going for upgrading the kitchen, painting, new carpets, etc... Why she just doesnt buy a $180,000 house that is bigger and has everything she wants is beyond me.

Oh, and when she does sell her current home she is going to break even at closing so there will be no equity for her to put toward paying down the new debt she is taking on. Her new home will be impossible to sell without taking a bath on the negative equity, or she will have to stay in it for many many years and hope that the market value increases a great deal or that she is there long enough to pay the liens down below market value. Plus she is the type of person that doesnt stay in one place for a long time. She is making very bad decisions and shooting herself in the foot. And I for one will not have any sympathy for her when she goes down in flames.

She was also recently bitching that her 4 door honda wasnt large enough to carry around cargo. She goes to a lot of garage sales and flea markets. She was talking about buying a station wagon to accomidate her needs. So what did she do? She ate a ton of negative equity and terminated her lease early on the Honda and went and bought a brand new Mustang Convertable! Ya, thats gonna solve her cargo problem. She is setting herself up for a big crash and I will enjoy seeing it happen.

49 posted on 04/01/2002 8:22:38 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: tcostell; Ken5050
Sounds like you need more favorable assessment like another Westchester County resident.
50 posted on 04/01/2002 8:23:19 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Blood of Tyrants
#43 - Dead on! NO high taxes and only on the purchase, not the ownership of property. Doing so would also keep inflation down big time! Old people could afford to keep and live in their homes until their deaths, instead of having to sell when their land rents exceed their incomes.
51 posted on 04/01/2002 8:24:14 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I would forbid any tax that could be enforced by confiscation or threat of imprisonment or loss of freedom. That would do away with taxes on real and personal property, income taxes, taxes disguised as "fees". A sales tax would be the only allowable type of tax and it would be capped at 10% for federal, state, and local COMBINED.

I totally agree. I would bet 80%to 90% of Americans can not comprehend the concept that there is no self-ownership if you can be forced to pay the government part of your income upon the threat of imprisonment. And these days, we dont even have "taxation with representation".

52 posted on 04/01/2002 8:24:45 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: mamelukesabre
That is why I moved, bought a large farm, and make sure we are an ongoing agricultural property. A five bedroom house, 120 acres, all the required barns and storage buildings, and an airstrip for $2,400 per year in property taxes.

What needs to be mentioned, is the fact that the community this guy lives in wants him to move. There are thousands more dying to drive up the Taconic Parkway and escape New York each year. I would also bet that the twin towers catastrophe has made a lot of city dwellers reach out to these areas. The guy has definately gotta cash out(or take the short term loss) and move away. Digging ditches in Mobile Alabama would be more financially rewarding than Working and living in New York.

53 posted on 04/01/2002 8:25:01 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Phantom Lord
Well, you SOUND Rude. Let me tell you the story of a friend of mine. His parents built a house in the DC Suburb of McLean in 1962: his father was a colonel in the Army. At the time, it was fairly luxurious, and they paid somewhere around $35K for it.

Fast-forward to 2002. . .his mother just died, and he inherited the house. . .and the tax bill, not to mention the death tax. A house now worth $650,000, because the neighborhood is now a very posh one. ( for example, Ted Kennedy is a few blocks up the street. I stay away when there are puddles, in case Ted reverts to old habits . . . (g) )

Or my own example: I bought a nice, but nowhere-close-to-luxurious townhouse outside DC (in Virginia) in 1998 for about 109K. It was just assessed at 160K. . .a nearly 50% rise in value in 4 years. If this guy is in such an area, he probably bought a nice 200K home. . . 10 years ago.

Give the author a break and a little Christian charity, willya ????

54 posted on 04/01/2002 8:25:23 AM PST by Salgak
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To: mamelukesabre
Three words... any realtor can tell you.. "Location, location, location" Sell the house and move to Tennessee.
55 posted on 04/01/2002 8:27:49 AM PST by FormerRep
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To: lula
Sounds like "Deer Park?" in Houston back in '96.
56 posted on 04/01/2002 8:27:50 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: tcostell
I understand, I used to live in Scarsdale.

A good friend of mine's father still lives in the house, he bought there in the forties and if it wasn't paid for, he couldn't afford to stay in it. As it is his taxes are 5 times what his house payment was.

I enjoyed my time in New York, now I can't see paying the price that is necessary now.


57 posted on 04/01/2002 8:28:11 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: FreeTally
"Pay up or move"? Well, I am always one for choice, but that attitude sucks. Many people cannot move or they lose their job. In my industry I can move only to a few places and earn what I do now. Moving is not an option at will. Besides, why should I be forced out? Many people are stuck living in or near high priced areas. I live in Denver. The prices are getting to be like LA was in 1990. A simple 1,500 square foot house now can cost $250,000. Should everyone just move out of Denver? It seems no matter where people move it will only be a matter of time before some Marxists raises the rents on property. New York and LA today, flyover country tomorrow.
58 posted on 04/01/2002 8:29:10 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Mitchell
Even in places like Seattle, or Portland, Oregon, property taxes on a $586,000 home would be much lower (maybe $6,000?). And these aren't bastions of small-government conservatism. Something is seriously wrong where you live. Are people voting in favor of these taxes?

Very true. I pay around $2100 in Multnomah County, Oregon on a $240,000 house. One thing we have on the West Coast, though, is initiative and referenda, so we were able to pass limitations on how much our property taxes can increase. I don't know if they have that in New York.

59 posted on 04/01/2002 8:29:47 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: usconservative
Come on down to NC, you can buy a Palace on 100+ acres for that kind of money, and still be 30 minutes from downtown.
60 posted on 04/01/2002 8:29:54 AM PST by Rebelbase
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