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"Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex"
Newhouse News Service ^ | March 26, 2002 | Mark O'Keefe

Posted on 04/03/2002 9:01:29 AM PST by ImbecileBoy

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:36:23 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Izzy Dunne
When I was a minor, I had sex with an adult," she said. "He was one of my first lovers.

He was not a lover, he is someone who got a free young person and treated her as a free whore.

41 posted on 04/04/2002 2:22:42 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: ImbecileBoy
my heart was broken by a lot of boys, too.

Anyone want to bet she has long since switched to girls?????

42 posted on 04/04/2002 2:26:48 PM PST by TRY ONE
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To: lavaroise
Peril: exposure to the risk of being injured, destroyed, or lost...

The author believes that not teaching children properly about sex, and keeping realistic advice from them is hurting them in certain ways...that is similar to the definition you provided for us.

I am not defending the author from her disgusting adult-child sex comments, but her comments are not what the book is entirely about & people need to realize that...

43 posted on 04/04/2002 5:54:07 PM PST by FreedomFighter86
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To: TRY ONE
She lives with her boyfriend.
44 posted on 04/04/2002 5:57:16 PM PST by FreedomFighter86
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To: FreedomFighter86
Why do we need to realize a thing about her trashy book? Anyone that promotes the idea that children should not be protected and left to their innocent, wholesome, childhoods, should have a rock tied around their necks and dropped into the deepest hole in the ocean.

A society is known by the way it treats their elderly and their children. This freakin scum would promote burning children on an altar to a stone idol if she thought it would get her noticed.

45 posted on 04/04/2002 6:24:26 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: ImbecileBoy
I've posted several times on this and other forums that this (normalization of pedophilia) was coming. On this thread are several statements that indicate we're already moving into the next phase. Phase 1 is when you're so disgusted by conduct, you don't even discuss it. Phase two is when jokes about it start becoming common. Phase three is when a leading "authority" writes an article claiming it isn't so bad. The book is another step. This is the one where we "sit down and discuss it rationally."

The comments on this thread, Have you all ever considered...reading the book and looking at the concepts behind it before attacking it? and This book's main thesis is that sexual education is lacking in America...that does not relate to having sex with corpses which is a clinically diagnosed disease show this is happening already.

The second issue is that the Church, which should be leading the battle against this, is currently involved in it's own scandal. Posts on this thread which state I wonder if the Catholic Church puts this woman on retainer. show how badly the Catholic Church is going to get battered if it makes any noise about this. The Protestant Church is unable to adequately address these issues because most denominations quit believing in Jesus Christ probably about thirty years ago. What passes for theology today is "go along to get along" and "practice random acts of kindness". Most of the Episcopals, Lutherans, Methodists, etc., lack the backbone, or the intellectual ability, to have much affect on this movement.

The final breakover will be when the American Psychological Association reclassifies pedophilia so that it is no longer a psychological disease. Following this, the child will be given the "freedom" to choose his or her lover, and parents beating the h*ll out of a thirty year old who comes to pick up their twelve year old daughter for a date will be handcuffed, hauled off to jail, and have their children taken away from them. The UN has already made proposals directed at "providing fundamental rights to children" which would accomplish most of this.

Since many parents today consider their children a nuisance, enough will say nothing that there will be a steady supply of children for the desires of the pedophiles.

I'm not sure if all of this is coordinated on this plane, although I'm sure it is on a spiritual plane by the lord of the flies.

One article I saw recently on MSNBC indicated to me that there is already a movement afoot to make people opposing this look like "the Taliban", the "Radical Right", etc. They had an article which stated the government was considering going after "young model" sites. According to the article, these sites show girls, ages 8 to 13 or so, posing in swimsuits, etc. There is no nudity, but there was definitely an edge to the article that indicated that parents who photograph their children playing in a lawn sprinkler might end up being prosecuted. Along with this were quotes from legal scholars saying, "well, it may be distasteful, but we allow a lot of leeway to protect freedom of expression in this country."

I expect to see some stories about an eighteen year old boy going to jail for having sex with his sixteen or seventeen year old girlfriend, and the general media full blitz to convince people that our current laws are outdated and should be repealed.

The National Endowment for the Arts has already funded a travelling photo exhibition by dead homosexual photographer Robert Maplethorpe, which included photographs of nude children as young as age 10, and defended the exhibition when Cincinnati tried to have it barred from their art museum as being pornographic.

Our problem is that we see things as bits and pieces, when it's really part of an integrated plan. We think we're fighting one battle, when we're being outflanked by the left who are conducting a coordinated war. While we fret over this book, they are moving on "freedom of speech", "rights of the child", "artistic expression", "sex education", and painting us as intolerant bigots.

Somebody here point out a flaw in my logic, because I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

46 posted on 04/04/2002 6:49:16 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: MissAmericanPie
Perhaps you have leaned heavily on the pipe recently, but the facts are that most children are not as innocent as Beaver Cleaver anymore...unless we give them realistic advice about sex we are harming their generation and forcing them to go at it alone, and believe me they WILL go at it.

Would I like our world to be this idealistic place of happy homes, wholesome childhoods, and world peace? Yes...but I live in the real world lady- a real world where 50% of marriages end in divorce, a real world where children are not so innocent anymore and are ill equipped to handle this loss of innocence, a real world where violence worsens everyday, and a real world where tonight children go hungry...and those starving children, rising divorce rates, and the millions that die and will die in the years to come due to our inability to love one another are far more important to me then keeping TEENS away from their natural desires...

49 posted on 04/04/2002 8:14:45 PM PST by FreedomFighter86
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To: Richard Kimball
When have I ever stated that pedophilia was a good thing? It is not...I have seen far too many people harmed emotionally to believe otherwise- but you people seem to ignore the fact that this book is NOT about PEDOPHILIA...it's main thesis in my brief review of the book thus far is that comprehensive sexual education is a must in this country.

Also, sleeping with corpses is a disease of the mind...it is NOT normal, and my statement taken out of context makes it appear that I believe it is normal- or that I was rationalizing it which I was not.

50 posted on 04/04/2002 8:19:07 PM PST by FreedomFighter86
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To: ImbecileBoy
I just love this new America. My only question is, when do the fireballs begin falling?
51 posted on 04/04/2002 8:22:30 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Izzy Dunne
"So are we talking in the top five? Top ten? Top fifty?"

Top thousand or so?

52 posted on 04/04/2002 8:23:53 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Risky Schemer
"It will go beyond that. They will promote and attempt to compel participation, because refusing to participate, in itself, reproves them."

On another thread, a poster said, that back in the sixties, school girls were convinced to have sex to prove they were not lesbians. And more recently, blacks are convincing white girls to do the same to prove they are not racist. So I can imagine what the pedophiles will begin saying to the young.

53 posted on 04/04/2002 8:26:20 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: FreedomFighter86
"Have you all ever considered...reading the book and looking at the concepts behind it before attacking it?"

This is the wrong forum to push pedophilia. Boy, are you with the wrong crowd. Watch out for that lynch rope.

54 posted on 04/04/2002 8:27:52 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: harpseal
"The handgun is an exellent tool for providing an innoculation that will deter sexual predators who prey on children. I personally think 180 grains of lead will do the job nicely but there are a number of dosages that will get a similar result."

I am wondering if it will not come to that before we are done.

55 posted on 04/04/2002 8:29:00 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: FreedomFighter86
Well meet the Cleavers. My marriage is chugging along quiet nicely at sixteen + years, and our son has been raised like Beaver Cleaver. He has been afforded something money can't buy, an innocent, secure, carefree, childhood and at thirteen he knows all he needs to about women, like, stay away from them.

I have to agree though, starting a couple of years ago, girls started walking miles to end up in our front yard like stray cats. I ran two off tonight at 8:30, here it is dark outside and their parents have no idea where they are. They completely ignored me the first two times I hinted that they needed to be someplace else.

If a twenty year old ever shows up I will skin her. I always thought raising a girl would be hard to do, but it's just as hard trying to raise a boy and protect him from very forward girls, between his Dad and I, I bet we can get it done though.

56 posted on 04/04/2002 8:44:31 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Got a good chuckle out of your post.
Multiply by four, what you are going thru and you'll see what my daughter and son-in-law are dealing with.
Four very handsome sons........what a job!
57 posted on 04/04/2002 8:55:56 PM PST by mickie
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To: FreedomFighter86
When have I ever stated that pedophilia was a good thing?

I didn't post that you thought pedophilia was a good thing, although others did. What I did state was that your responses indicated we were moving past the "shocked and horrified" stage into the "let's sit down and discuss it rationally" phase, which I still believe is accurate, and far further down the road I believe we're going than we were a few years ago. I have reviewed my post, and I never made the statement that you thought pedophilia was a good thing. I will state that I think you are a "useful idiot" for the people who do. That term does not imply that I think you are an actual idiot, but is a term used to describe someone who unknowingly advances a cause without understanding the implications.

Also, sleeping with corpses is a disease of the mind...it is NOT normal, and my statement taken out of context makes it appear that I believe it is normal- or that I was rationalizing it which I was not.

Your second assertion that I took your statement out of context is absurd. Here's your entire post #34: "This book's main thesis is that sexual education is lacking in America...that does not relate to having sex with corpses which is a clinically diagnosed disease." Here is what I posted as a quote: "This book's main thesis is that sexual education is lacking in America...that does not relate to having sex with corpses which is a clinically diagnosed disease." I cut and pasted your entire post. I hardly think I can be accused of taking you out of context.

58 posted on 04/04/2002 9:01:43 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: mickie
They have my complete sympathy. No one ever talks about what boys go through in this man hating world. I am every bit as protective of him as many parents are of their girls.
59 posted on 04/04/2002 9:02:27 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Absolutely right.
White males in this Country are the most discriminated class around.
Our boys are protected and raised with thoughtful care.
They are sweet, sheltered and innocent. Hope they stay that way for as long as possible.
60 posted on 04/04/2002 9:20:33 PM PST by mickie
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