CHRISTIAN EMBASSY CONDEMNS PALESTINIAN ABUSE OF BETHLEHEM CHURCHES

my sympathies to you LarryLied on this thread. People who say that either 'christians' or the catholic church either one caused or contributed to the holocaust of 1942-1945 in germany are very foolish. It is of course an insult of large proportions to all christians. there were a lot of non-jews killed by the nazis, some historians believe more non-jews than jews were killed in the gas chambers. To say that nazi-ism was a christian movement as bill clinton did and others do is of course obnoxious to anyone who loves truth.

But this christian group in jerusalem who released this statement is 100% correct that the fighters have taken the battle to the church knowing full well that this is where jesus was born and that this particularly offends all christians all over the world.

LarryLied, we see a lot of bigotry and hatred. We see children indoctrinated in public schools with lies and propaganda designed to get them to turn on their own heritage. LarryLied, you know as a christian, that filth comes fromt he heart of the human being left to themselves. You know that jesus cleans this sins when we seek forgiveness.

In order to get rid of this bigotry and hatred of human beings in our world we must build christian institutions, not merely churches, but also schools and other cultural institutions. The public schools are not christian in any sense, the hollywood movie factories are not christian in any sense. These things we must change. It is only in this way that we will get rid of the bigotries and the hatred that are growing in society today.

I suspected that they invaded the church of nativity to cement Greeks and Russians and the slavs at large against Israel and their backers. Now that you indicate that plan was long in the works, is quite intriguing of how carefuly these people have planned thing, maybe all the way from communist Moscow.

You indicate in addition that in the process there would be two birds hit with one stone. Not only is this gearing nations against Israel, but it is gearing nations in favor of violating cults, churches and consciousness of people by the means of violent cults invading those, such as proletarian communist branches of Palestinians as well as Muslims.

Using churches for a "satan" to ascert himself or herself there while pretending to be sieged by the "undesirables" is quite striking. The scriptures would hence reveal how an evil conspiracy would desecrate and sit in the very Temple that needs protection.

The chip implantation is an observability and hence controlability mean. Man is to have mathematical dominion over animals and plants, through observability and controlability. But man is supposed to protect man and God from being defined, observed and control, the inalienable jurisdictions forbiding these from being treated as the natural world over which we have dominion should be treated.

THe Temple is the very site from which the enemy can also observe and control people. What used to be the property of individuals or respectful cults, is now their property. What used to be free man is now their property. They observe and control man through social engineering as one would observe and control animals, so that man, controled, can no longer have dominion over nature, but nature and savage people have it over man.

And yes, during WWII, the Catholic Church did not condemn nations defining themselves against other nations or races.

Read Mit Brennender Sorge and Summi Pontificatus, and get back to us.

Quite the contrary, it always was in the interest of the church to be at the side of the strongest in Europe,...

Pretty sneaky of those WWII Jews to set up the Holocaust just to make themselves look victimised and defenseless.

contratulations SJackson, you brought humor to this thread!!

Read Mit Brennender Sorge and Summi Pontificatus, and get back to us.

I will retract my earlier erroneous note on the behavior of the church in 1937 and 1937.

We will note however that what I said otherwise is verified by those texts, texts that the church does not seem to follow lately in its present form (I will not go over those details over which I disagree, but will recognize the sagacity of some passages instead).

Mit Brennengder Sorge

10. This God, this Sovereign Master, has issued commandments whose value is independent of time and space, country and race. As God's sun shines on every human face so His law knows neither privilege nor exception. Rulers and subjects, crowned and uncrowned, rich and poor are equally subject to His word. From the fullness of the Creators' right there naturally arises the fullness of His right to be obeyed by individuals and communities, whoever they are. This obedience permeates all branches of activity in which moral values claim harmony with the law of God, and pervades all integration of the ever-changing laws of man into the immutable laws of God.

And indeed, the jurisdiction transcend all races and classes. Today's pendering of the church to "poor" or "humiliated" Palestinians is in direct contravention to what PiusXI explained. Then Pius XII specificaly used the phrase "juridicial order", condemning supremacist autonomism, the like waged by Palestinians today - and autonomism that is self restrained by Israelies who follow international mandates, treaties and calls for restraint regularly.

SUMMI PONTIFICATUS

53. Once the authority of God and the sway of His law are denied in this way, the civil authority as an inevitable result tends to attribute to itself that absolute autonomy which belongs exclusively to the Supreme Maker. It puts itself in the place of the Almighty and elevates the State or group into the last end of life, the supreme criterion of the moral and juridical order, and therefore forbids every appeal to the principles of natural reason and of the Christian conscience. We do not, of course, fail to recognize that, fortunately, false principles do not always exercise their full influence, especially when age-old Christian traditions, on which the peoples have been nurtured, remain still deeply, even if unconsciously, rooted in their hearts.

59. Hence, it is the noble prerogative and function of the State to control, aid and direct the private and individual activities of national life that they converge harmoniously towards the common good. That good can neither be defined according to arbitrary ideas nor can it accept for its standard primarily the material prosperity of society, but rather it should be defined according to the harmonious development and the natural perfection of man. It is for this perfection that society is designed by the Creator as a means.

This is exactly what I tried to convey earlier when I demanded that people refrain from defining good and evil, from defining Israel or Palestine, as well as the Vatican from engaging into such rumor mongering and war mongering horrors.

King David once said to never draw the blood of war in times of peace, while Christ said a man who looks to lust a woman has commited adultery. What should we hence say to leaders and people who look to lust the drawing of blood of war in times of peace through their adoption of rumors and war mongering horrors?

I have no doubt we are headed for hell. Not just the Israelies. There is too much seething, even in America, and the media is embracing this Jerry Springer cult war full bore with ignoble reports and definitions that only assert the identities and arbitrary ideas (to say the least, not including the terrorist identities) above the "supreme juridical order" that should be blind/impartial to such identities.

Pretty sneaky of those WWII Jews to set up the Holocaust just to make themselves look victimised and defenseless.

You have no idea what you sneak around yourself for your own fate on these threads.

Complaining that Vatican diplomacy of today is off-the-rails WRT the mideast crisis (the words "mideast" and "crisis" go together so much that I think they should get married, and we can just speak of the "mideastcrisis") is perfectly fine by me.

Just don't buy into the liberal lie that the Church in general, or Pope Pius XII in particular, sat on their hands and let the Holocaust happen. It's not so, and is a vile calumny against a good and holy man, identified by Rabbis David Dalin and Pinchas Lapide as one of the greatest friends the Jewish people have ever had.

Yeah, exactly, I never heard of them. Anyone can claim a title.

There is too much seething, even in America, and the media is embracing this Jerry Springer cult war full bore with ignoble reports and definitions that only assert the identities and arbitrary ideas (to say the least, not including the terrorist identities) above the "supreme juridical order" that should be blind/impartial to such identities.

This is because so many people are deceived by the evil argument that we "must" choose one side or the other of these two belligerents (thus setting us up inevitably to be "free" choosers of death -- a satanic logic for you.)

The very rhetorical paradigm that demands that we take sides -- Jews or Palestinians -- is a dynamic of alienation, a lie. The real debate is between alienation and reconciliation -- between death and life.

If reconciliation sounds preposterous and impossible -- just as preposterous as "love your enemy" -- so did "He is risen."

This is the only way out.

Good point. As posted by yours truly on another thread, the Pope (to get the facts straight) actually played a key role in relaying Intel to British Intelligence from anti-Nazi Germans trying to topple Hitler during the war in order to coordinate those anti-Hitler activities.

END OF STORY.

HERE is the LINK for the FACTS

Click on "Vatican Connection" if the main menu pops back up.

Mit Brennender Sorge was published by the Papacy on March 14, 1937 BEFORE the war. It denounces Nazi racist ideology.

Mit Brennender Sorge: CLICK HERE

The Church was anti-Nazi in 1937. The Papacy assisted anti-Nazi efforts during the war.

Christian Embassy! LOL! How goofy is that! The country of Christ has an embassy. But there's no such country! Must be a Chinese invention..

This is because so many people are deceived by the evil argument that we "must" choose one side or the other of these two belligerents

One should however choose the side of jurisdiction over that of the two identities in any reconciliation process. And in all fairness, if we are to cut away from Israel until Israel accepts subserviance to a transcending confederation in the holy land, we have to cut away from all the MiddleEastern nations themselves which recognize themselves through the non-recognition of Israel, and scold whoever else takes sides further.

If no such plan is wanted or proposed from us and we take an underdog approach to the sítuation, then we should look at the contracts we honored in the region, and we should respect those contracts and jurisdictions with the respective nations we took. This means we do have a beef in this region.

Those seeking to destroy those very contracts of cooperation and jurisdiction cooperations of ours should be denied our support, regardless of their identities, with no strings nor entitlements attached. What are the intricacies of mutual secret and not so secret mutual commitments in the region is the single most important issue that is never raised. Who is threatening those contracts most? Arafat's petty but now disturbingly effective terror against US-Israel contracts? Or an Israel that could leverage against us by building up tension between ourselves and other arabs in the Middle East?

It is in such times of inextricable confusion that we should bail out and consider a bankruptcy/divorce in the region. We should admit it instead of maintaining joint ownership over parts of a wrecking ship whose oil interest seem to pale in comparison to anti-terror interest.

Idealy we would have a choice after that, of keeping the breakaway firm and having the option to re-link with applying nations of the region. This would mean that the first nation to "wed" the US should be a variable in subsequent re-negociations with nations coming in the deal subsequently. However, in Machiavelian terms, we never really have such "market" choices as often the underdog situation that we would choose is never so full of choices. Rather it is a position victim of circumstances, more in tune with getting into contract to prevent potential distrustful partners from having a choice at all, while believing we would have a choice could prove us again partnering with even more disastrous nations.

In effect, any re-partnering in the MiddleEast would prove impossible unless the US went through the reshaping of its own criterias and rules to partnering with other nations. The only thing that could be imposed in our interest meanwhile would be to side, in an eventual war there, against whomever would have expansionist designs, as maintaining the balance there while we figure out a guiding policy would be crucial. While Israel's potential for expansionism is real, the arab coalitions and axis formations within the MiddleEast, i.e. any form of pan-arab unification or cooperation amongst arabs for causes such as Islamism or whatever expansionist cause of a certain cult targeting other cults and nations there, should be vehemently condemned and restrained with threat of war against those nations and coalitions threatening to change the landscape and make our policy more difficult to shape. That would force us to join, reluctantly, other temporary coalitions, but that would be the only way to secure our interests.

Does this mean that Turkey is behind the Palestinian/Israel conflict?