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Lesbians: We Made Our Baby Deaf on Purpose [we've reached the bottom of the slippery slope]
This Is London ^ | 4-8-2002 | James Langton

Posted on 04/08/2002 11:29:29 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

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To: Kozak
I stumbled on a video a few months back at Blockbuster which was a documentary on the Cochlear implant issue. It was about a hearing family that had a grown deaf son and a related deaf family that had a hearing daughter. The deaf son married a deaf woman and had deaf children. The hearing woman married a hearing man and had a deaf child. The hearing woman had the implant put in her child.

The documentary was mostly about the deaf daughter of the deaf son. There was considerable torment in the family about the possibility of implanting the daughter and how this would effect her "deaf culture" identity. The son decided to move to an all "deaf community" and not to implant the child.

It was a heart rending film. The father had embraced his identity as part of the "deaf community." He felt that "deaf culture" embraced him and his family in this extended family The pressure from hearing relatives to have the child implanted hurt him deeply - he took it personally as an indication that his family fundamentally perceived him as defective and had not truly accepted his differences as "ok."

From another perspective, the man's deaf wife looked into the implant for herself and her child and found that it was not really effective in adults.

Similarly, the deaf monther of the hearing woman was deeply hurt that the woman put the implant in her deaf baby. It was like a sign of rejection.

The "deaf community" has its own language. Language helps articulate and influences the form of world views. Apparently a special cultural identity has been forged from this for this minority. They are not looking at this as a "handicap" but as a cultural identity.

Personally, I would have the implant for my child. Of course, I am a hearing person.

181 posted on 04/10/2002 10:55:28 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: stainlessbanner
Their son AND daughter are both deaf, fathered by the same deaf man.
182 posted on 04/10/2002 10:58:20 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Kozak
Hey now, just because I have to put my face within 3 inches of the screen (without my lenses) to read your comment doesn't mean that I should be shamed into wearing glasses or contacts (or getting surgery) < /sarcasm >.

Why, consider the work of painters who went blind like Monet who turned his vision loss into a new technique (impressionism, now painters with 20/20 paint abstract images exclusively).

People with correctable vision loss have a culture too you know, we just have a hard time bumping into each other...

183 posted on 04/10/2002 11:13:31 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Post Toasties
I wonder if that book addresses the issue of dogs mating with human legs and inanimate objects as well.
184 posted on 04/10/2002 11:18:18 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Hacksaw
It doesn't appear that the scientific community is clamoring for this book. It seems only people with a personal agenda have taken to it. Much as the anti-gun crowd widely praised Arming America : The Origins of a National Gun Culture a piece of bunk that intended to dispell the myth behind America's legacy with guns (it cited documents that had been destroyed over 75 years ago).

Here's Amazon's list of the "customers also bought these books" (most frequent purchases by people who bought this one):

Queer Science by Simon Le Vay, Simon LeVay

The Mismeasure of Desire : The Science, Theory, and Ethics of Sexual Orientation (Ideologies of Desire) by Edward Stein

A Natural History of Homosexuality by Francis Mark Mondimore

Love Stories : Sex Between Men Before Homosexuality by Jonathan Ned Katz

Rainbow Boys by Alex Sanchez

What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality by Daniel A., Ph.D. Helminiak

Sexing the Body: Gender Politics and the Construction of Sexuality by Anne Fausto-Sterling

Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality : Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century by John Boswell

185 posted on 04/10/2002 11:32:15 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Saundra Duffy
I believe that deaf kids do require special attention (not necesserily more attention, but the attention of someone who can deal with their situation).

That being said, I would suggest that those who are so suited and desire to be nurturing either give their skills to a community center aiding the deaf or take a child that has been born deaf into their home.

Give birth to a kid if that is what they want, but to purposely will that they want a deaf child is detrimental to the child's best interest. In your example, self-interest of the parents dictated that it would be easier if the child were deaf. In this article's example, self-interest in the parents controlling a "mini-me" led them to seek out a deaf man to procreate (twice) with (the adoptive "mother" of the child, hinted that the son was conceived with the aid of a turkey baster).

186 posted on 04/10/2002 11:40:39 AM PDT by weegee
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To: AlexanderTheGreat
Lord Almighty! You are a persistent cuss! Bumping my #175.
188 posted on 04/10/2002 12:07:46 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: AlexanderTheGreat
his thorough documentation ...touted throughout the science community

Just like the Origin of Species? Ha...

189 posted on 04/10/2002 12:20:51 PM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: Notwithstanding
In another article, the couple argued that intentionally bringing a deaf child into the world is no worse than bringing a black child into the world.

Are they arguing that being black is a handicap? Looks like they're racist as well as sick and stupid!

191 posted on 04/10/2002 1:10:04 PM PDT by Bob Quixote
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To: weegee
You would have to know the deaf couple who prayed for only deaf children. They are a delightful Christian couple. I know that sounds strange and impossible for us to understand. I met them through Youth With A Mission (Kailua-Kona, Hawaii). Anyway, one night, the deaf dad lifted his deaf daughter up so that she could touch the speaker to "hear" the music (vibrations). They also sometimes would hold baloons so as to "catch" the vibes. Under the cirumstances, I don't think it was cruel and unusual for them to pray for deaf children. Imagine if a hearing child had been born to this totally deaf couple. I'm not making excuses for the lesbian couple, though!!! Don't get me wrong. In my opinion gay couples don't need to drag kids through that mess - deaf or hearing. For victory & freedom!!!
192 posted on 04/10/2002 2:23:30 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: AlexanderTheGreat
That's not what zoologists say. Science wins again.

I did not say that homosexuality did not exist in the animal kindgom only that it was abormal or preverted as it is in the human kingdom.

As far as science goes they're not always right. According to science and the laws of aerodynamics a bumblebee cannot possibly fly.

193 posted on 04/10/2002 4:17:57 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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To: Notwithstanding
Never mind the parents, what about the complicit physician? Isn't there a FReeper in who could file a complaint in the appropriate court against the license of the IVF doctor?
194 posted on 04/10/2002 4:27:58 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: AlexanderTheGreat
No doubt, among animals there are dominance behaviors (for example, male-mounting-male in a quasi-sexual pose), and greeting behaviors which involve genital contact. Inventive critters such as primates play with each other in sexual ways, too. No question about it. Of course they have no conscience or accountability to God, either -- "sin is not imputed where there is no law."

But -- where is the animal that FORSAKES mating, in favor of its own sex? Where is there an example of a healthy male animal, in breeding season (if it's a seasonal breeding species), and who hasn't been driven off or threatened by a rival, turning down a chance to mate with receptive females? I've seen celibate rams, celibate roosters, but never "gay" ones... and the celibacy quickly ends if the results of today's battle happen to change the pecking order.

To quote Zorba the Greek: "There is one thing the gods will not forgive -- when a woman calls a man to her bed, and he will not come."

To quote an unchallengeable authority: "Women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and likewise did the men -- leaving the natural usage of woman, they burned in lust for one another, men commiting indecent acts with other men, and suffering in their own bodies the punishment of their error" --- Paul the Apostle.

195 posted on 04/11/2002 12:33:53 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: AlexanderTheGreat
I challenge Paul the Apostle.

Well, good luck. Fighting God's messenger is a losing battle. It would be much easier and less painful to just give up homosexuality, if you're involved in it.

As far as gay mating in the animal kingdom goes, it occurs.

So you say. But murder, adultery, and theft definitely occur in the animal kingdom. So what? The fact that animals do something, does not constitute permission for us to do likewise.

On the other hand -- and back to the original thread topic -- it's possible to sink BELOW the animals. Where did an animal ever deliberately handicap its own child? Only humans, posessing fallen spirits, could sink so low.

198 posted on 04/11/2002 8:11:27 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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