Getting Liberalism out of government

Self | April 8, 2002 | Doug Loss

[Khepera]

No! Tolerence of what? Tell me what did he say we should tolerate. Feel free to quote scripture.

[Fraulein]

Liberal deity: Karl Marx. He thought we needed to replace religion with socialism, that politics could help us achieve all of those things only promised to us by religion. So there you have it. Liberals see politics taking over where religion fails...

[Khepera]

You are very correct. Karl Marx is a major liberal deity. They may not evoke his name but they sure do worship his ideology.

[WOSG]

Great article... btw, while much of the Liberal/Left has adopting religion metaphically (ie they dont believe in a deity, but have embraced their politics as a Total world View that displaces all other moral sentiments), the Environmentalists have gone *literally* into Worship, namely the Earth as Gaia, using Mother Earth etc. and adopting many religious metaphors and concepts to Advance Their Agenda.

It's a mistake not to see the LeftistWorldView as a Religion. It is.

[Navy Patriot]

Good point Doug, (The Kurtz essay was a good find too).

One of the characteristics of a religion is the acceptance of the tennents on faith, without any proof of correctness. It seems to me that liberal socialism falls into this description as we see that from observing history that liberialism causes the death and destruction of individuals, societies, cultures and nations. Thus while we have proof liberialism is not sustainable, we have no proof that it is. Ergo, liberals must accept liberalism on FAITH, (not evidence) that it works; it is a religion. (No offense intended to any religeous persons)

[Khepera]

I agree with you. It is a very big mistake not to recognize the Leftist World View as a Religion. Noting that our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles it is only to our peril that we allow the liberals have any power in our government. One thing that sets the liberal world view apart from the Judeo-Christian world view is its lack of moral judgment.  For those libertarians among us who worship Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers but seem to reject morality as a guide for living in a free society, I offer the following problematic quotes from those very people.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 Address

"Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private virtue, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics." John Adams

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."- Thomas Jefferson

"We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."- James Madison

"A general dissolution of the principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy.... While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.... If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security." - Samuel Adams

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles." Patrick Henry

"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend of the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen onto any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man." Samuel Adams

[concerned about politics]

Liberalism is Satanism, tolerance of all sin.
That's why there's a war in Washington.
The rightous right vs, the Lucifer left. Unfortunatly, with Satan himself in charge during the last administration, we have a long hard war to fight to save the nation from the same fate as the cities of Babble and Babylon. The Satanic docturine is being burnt into the hearts of Americas children.

[concerned about politics]

Didn't Jesus Christ preach tolerance?

Only with repentance. "Go, and sin no more."

[concerned about politics]

If Liberalism is a religion, then should liberal think-tanks and organizations be tax-exempt, as well?

Liberal organizations are tax exempt- NEA, PP, Rainbow, NOW,....etc. You name it, they don'y pay.

[tahiti]

Why waste time about the definition of religion, when it comes to this question of separation of church and state.

We "originalist" should concentrate on the second part of the First Amendment, concerning religion and the state:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

[EODGUY]

Very good post. Is it my imagination or did your primary opponent on this thread, AzJP, leave the thread when queried about his/her explanations of questions and definitions posed to you?

Interesting!

God bless. EODGUY

[Khepera]

Yes that would seem to be the case. Maybe it is because they don't have a clue as to the definitions or opinions they expressed. Wild accusations. Unfounded theories. Unquenched desires!

[Khepera]

If Liberalism is a religion, then should liberal think-tanks and organizations be tax-exempt, as well?

Yes they should but they have to follow all the rules like not endorsing political candidates or telling their flock how to vote. Any political speech would revoke their status.

[Khepera]

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Yes we have tried to concentrate on that but the liberals will allow none of it. They will say its ok to practice your religion as long as it is silent and does not infect anyone else by dissimination.

[Doug Loss]

I'm back. Familial committments kept me from posting last night. In point of fact, religion doesn't require a recognized diety. Buddhism arguably has no diety, as the Buddha never claimed to be a god (although many branches of Buddhism treat him as such). Taoism has no diety. I don't know if Shinto has dieties or not; I tend to think of it as ancestor worship. Anyway, a belief structure needn't have an espoused diety to qualify as a religion, as far as I'm concerned.

[Doug Loss]

I agree with you, that all religions should be allowed to freely express their beliefs. However, my point is that since the Liberals are intent on supressing all religious expression in any public place and certainly in any government function, we could beat them at their own game by recognizing Liberalism as a religion and applying their rules to themselves. It would be a delicious irony!

It has little chance of happening, of course, since one of the major tenets of the Liberal religion is that the rules don't apply to them, only to others. How would we get them to agree that they're not better than us Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc.?