Getting Liberalism out of government

Self | April 8, 2002 | Doug Loss

[Doug Loss]

Not true. One of the points of the conservative viewpoint is to see the beliefs as separate from the person, amenable to reason and logic. We think that if we lay out the thinking behind our positions we can convince other rational people of the validity of our views. The Liberal viewpoint sees the beliefs as part of the person himself, unmodifiable without changing the person into someone else entirely. Their positions aren't arrived at through any rational process of examining the premises and forming theories and conclusions from the evidence gathered; rather, they're the Received Dogma from the Keepers of the Flame.

[Doug Loss]

You're using Liberal-type reasoning. Try to refute my position using logic and examples, not simply saying, "uh-uh!" I came to my position from observation and thought.

[Khepera]

Revoke their tax free status.

[Navy Patriot]

Provide "proof", please.

Marx, Lenin, and Stalin.

[oyez]

Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot.

[Navy Patriot]

Not Liberalism. Totalitarianism. Difference.

While you are correct that there is a difference in the beginning, liberal socialism always becomes totalatarianism.

Liberal socialism assumes that the individual is less important than the group, therefore the individual is required to sacrifice for the good of the group. This starts by small confiscations of property (rights) and personal product (work). The liberal state can never get enough, so the confiscations get larger and larger. Eventually the individual gets no reward for working and quits. To correct this problem the state requires work by force, usless eaters must be gotten rid of, the liberal state can never admit socialism doesn't work, anybody that mentions this fact must be silenced, bingo, Joe Stalin and 40 million dead. Thats the liberal history I referred to.

[Navy Patriot]

Well, I think that Scandinavia would be a good example of modern liberalism and they don't seem to be going to hell in a handbasket.

At this point in time, that is a reasonable analysis. Also, the northern scandanavian nations are liberal in their tax structure and a good perentage of economic policies. They are less so culturally and regarding immigration. The southern nations are seeing some serious effects of cultural liberalism and immigration and are rethinking policy it appears. Given time liberal policies will drag them down (unless they do somthing about it) to a point that individual rights and freedoms will have to be eliminated to coerce their average citizen. Deterioration by liberalism doesn't happen at the same pace everywhere, and sometimes the downward spiral plateaus for a while, but for any nation/people to save themselves they must reject and move away from compulsory liberal tennents ant toward liberty with responsibility.