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Couple hit with wetlands fine for trimming bushes
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | April 11, 2002 | CINDY CLAYTON

Posted on 04/11/2002 12:24:17 PM PDT by CFW

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To: editor-surveyor
Just what we need:

Another example of the enviros' sound science.
An Environmental Services employee who looked at the lot in February and again on Tuesday said cutting the bushes could kill them.

This employee isn't much of a scientist or a gardener.

41 posted on 04/11/2002 6:45:13 PM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: CFW
An Environmental Services employee who looked at the lot in February and again on Tuesday said cutting the bushes could kill them.

So could some clandestine, late-night spraying of Round-Up... or Triox... this is even the right time of year for it...

42 posted on 04/11/2002 7:31:27 PM PDT by gieriscm
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To: tacticalogic
Now hold on a second. The Government has the ability to control every single facet of your life, according to the Socialist Doctrine of FDR??? Oh that is something that definitely has to be changed, and IMMEDIATELY! That is such a crock of crap. The Government gives you the Priveledge to live your life??? Since when is your life, your choices a priveledge??? What utter nonsense. If our founding fathers were alive today they'd revolt. Heck, if they knew what kind of taxes we pay, they'd revolt. Our government needs some serious redressing. Too many damned lawyers, and not enough honest people who are truly looking out for the interests of the people.

I am soooooo sick of government. It's bad enough that we are taxed on a level that makes Russia look good, but we are controlled like rats by our government as they give us the PRIVELEDGE to do what we want. I always thought that so long as you weren't hurting people, or really breaking the law, that you'd be left alone. I guess I was wrong. Looks like this isn't the land of the Free after all.

43 posted on 04/11/2002 7:50:40 PM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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To: editor-surveyor
Just another example of goverment beureaucacy out of control.

And people wonder why there's so much distrust in goverment.

44 posted on 04/12/2002 3:25:03 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: editor-surveyor; CFW; Carry_Okie; "NWO"; "Free" Trade; Geopolitics; Gov_Watch; Black Jade; M1991...
"Wetlands Board voted in March to levy a $1,000"
Guys, Is this group elected, or politically appointed bureaucrats? Who/what gives them the "right" to levy fines {taxes}?? WHERE does their funding come from, and HOW is it spent? The couple obviously knows more about their own property and the plants thereon than the "board". It seems MONEY is the ONLY reason for this "board"'s decision. I wonder if the "board" is even handed in their "voting" to assess taxes upon "violators". I wonder about state and local road cleanup crews. These groups of politically appointed enviralists are evil incarnate when it comes to private property rights. Peace and love, George.
45 posted on 04/12/2002 4:51:23 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
We are not the land of the free if we can't even trim the bushes on property we own. We are now the land of the fee. Only the rich will be able to trim their shrubs.
46 posted on 04/12/2002 6:18:44 AM PDT by Lucky
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To: MadRobotArtist
The Government has the ability to control every single facet of your life, according to the Socialist Doctrine of FDR???

Reat this and tell me, "Who's your Daddy?".

47 posted on 04/12/2002 6:27:35 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Grampa Dave
"Enviralists?"

I'm going to start using that.

48 posted on 04/12/2002 8:04:54 AM PDT by moyden
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To: moyden
"Enviralists?"

I'm going to start using that.

I've always been partial to Envirulents.

49 posted on 04/12/2002 8:11:02 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
Read the article, and am sooooooooo incensed. Good Grief, what kind of idiotic moron speak is that? I mean, because he didn't sell, he depressed demand, therefore causing a problem for other wheat sellers? Who in the world thinks like that? Oh wait, I know, Lawyers. Jesus... So, I can say that since the economy is depressed, I should be able to sue the government to pay for my stock, because their oppressive taxes have decreased the demand for my merchandise? It looks like it could work! I need to find a shifty attorney. That should be like shooting fish in a barrel.
50 posted on 04/12/2002 8:45:54 AM PDT by MadRobotArtist
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To: MadRobotArtist
Who in the world thinks like that?

That is the logic of the FDR interpretation of the Commerce Clause, and the EPA, ESA, and DEA, among others were authorized by Congress based on that. Any wonder they're screwed up?

51 posted on 04/12/2002 8:50:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic; MadRobotArtist; George Frm Br00klyn Park; editor-surveyor; CFW; Colt .45; chiefqc...
As willing as our contemporary Supreme Court may seem at times to stretch the Constitution to achieve an end, from a purely American point of view, the Stone Court's decision in the sixty-year-old Wickard case has to be one of the scariest on record. It also makes plain the underlying philosophies of Roosevelt's "New Deal" administration, and the willingness of the Court in general to sway to the prevalent beat of the drum.

Further, it reinforces the argument for a clearer definition of Congress' power over interstate commerce, contained in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

Part of the New Deal's plethora of programs handing government control over the free market was the Second Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1938. The Act empowered the federal government to set quotas and prices for agricultural products moving in interstate commerce, presumably to help farmers suffering from both the Depression and the dust bowl weather cycle of the mid-thirties, as well as to insulate consumers from price gouging.

Filburn was just such a farmer. He maintained a small dairy herd and some chickens on his Ohio farm, and sold milk, poultry and eggs on the open market. He also planted feed for his livestock, including a small patch of wheat to feed the chickens, and grind into flour for his own use. None of the wheat left his farm.

Unfortunately he made the mistake of planting 12 acres more than the federal quota allowed in 1941. From this added acreage, he realized a harvest of 239 bushels, consumed it all on-farm, and was penalized 49¢ per bushel by the government -- a "tax" rate of about 57% of that year's average market price. Incensed, Filburn sued on the basis that the Commerce clause did not empower Congress to regulate crops that never left the farm, let alone enter interstate commerce.

Unfortunately, by 1942 when his case wound its way to the U.S. Supreme Court, all but one justice had been appointed by President Roosevelt, and the Court was clearly in his corner philosophically. Their unanimous decision in this case reflected New Deal logic.

Writing for the Court, Justice Robert Jackson (later chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal ) reasoned that Filburn's additional production had dissuaded him from purchasing the wheat he needed on the open market. Though his 239 bushels were minor, Jackson noted, fully twenty percent of U.S. wheat never left the farm, the combined effect depressing demand and adversely affecting interstate commerce. As such, the federal government had a right to regulate such farmers under the Commerce clause.

The evolution of the Court's thinking on Commerce cases demonstrates not only the wide room for interpretation in the constitutional usage, but also the growing willingness of the Courts through the years to lend support to congressional efforts using this clause as a catch-all for government intervention. The Court itself uses the two key clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment in much the same way.

Several more recent cases can be cited -- Heart of Atlanta Motel (1964) comes to mind -- that illustrate the continued use of the Commerce clause to regulate private affairs which are "interstate" only in the most nebulously construed way. But Wickard still stands out to this writer as the scariest example.

Indeed, "Who's your Daddy?"

Wasn't King Willie still in diapers?

52 posted on 04/12/2002 8:57:07 AM PDT by packrat01
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To: MadRobotArtist
On a side note, this was never what the founders intended when they wrote "to regulate commerce among the several states". All they intended to do was give the federal government the authority to keep states from enacting interstate tariffs and engaging in trade wars.

In the 18th century the commonly understood meaning of "regulate" meant to make regular, or keep in good working order. This is easily demonstrated by looking at the phrase "a well-regulated militia" found in the Second Amendment. FDR used the Court Packing Bill to basically blackmail the USSC into agreeing to substitute the more recent meaning - to control or have authority over - into the reading of that clause.

53 posted on 04/12/2002 9:00:34 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: packrat01
bttt
54 posted on 04/12/2002 9:00:46 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: packrat01
"If we wish to be true to [the] Constitution, our Commerce Clause's boundaries simply cannot be 'defined' as being 'commensurate with the national needs' or self- consciously intended to let the Federal Government 'defend itself against economic forces that Congress decrees inimical or destructive of the national economy.' Such a formulation of federal power is no test at all: it is a blank check."

Justice Clarence Thomas

55 posted on 04/12/2002 9:07:18 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: CFW
A letter from City Hall was sent to the wrong address, they said.

This would alert me to push the case that maybe it's not really THEIR bushes that the city should be concerned about.

However the whole case is a load of crap! These lawyers better win this for them. This makes me so mad I could just... aaaaaaargh!

56 posted on 04/12/2002 9:10:42 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Cyrano; Neil E. Wright; Gianni; Tennessee_Bob; Petronski; Free_Trapper; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA...
This is crazy.

PING!

57 posted on 04/12/2002 9:13:35 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Arkie2
If you pass enough laws you make everyone a criminal.

Yes... and then the Feds set precedent for drugging a nonviolent white collar criminal so he can stand trial, and pretty soon we'll all be in that guy's shoes!

Forced Drugging By Government

DRUGGING THE DEFENDANT

Federal court OKs forced drugging: Defendant ordered to take anti-psychotic medication

UNLIMITED FORCED DRUGGING OK D BY COURT

58 posted on 04/12/2002 9:18:56 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: moyden
hear hear!!!
59 posted on 04/12/2002 9:19:54 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: savedbygrace
I agree. You're SUPPOSED to cut back bushes on occasion. Makes them healthier. More envrio-ignorance which is typical of the envirowhackos.
60 posted on 04/12/2002 9:21:35 AM PDT by Terriergal
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