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Has Everyone Gone Mad? (Long, Vanity)
Self | 14 Apr 02 | 11B3

Posted on 04/14/2002 7:10:44 PM PDT by 11B3

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To: TomGuy
Many of these democratic socialists are listed, proudly btw on the website of the same name. Go do a search and see for yourself.
I would think their policies would be enough to convince anyone of their real agenda, but they do not mind being members out in the open, so go look!
21 posted on 04/14/2002 8:45:49 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Diogenesis; Sabertooth; John Huang2
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22 posted on 04/14/2002 8:47:23 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: WFTR;11B3
Herein lies a very serious problem - the enemy within. Products of the NEA, The green machine and other communistic groups being cannon fooder for stupidity Useful idiots as we so affectionately refer to them. not only might we have to get into with the goofballs in the east(excluding Israel, our only solid ally overthere) and shoot them, but our only countrymen as well. I think the post was outstanding gathering all the "little thoughts" we've all been having and tying them together in a very conceivable potential trail to the future.

Stand-by for interesting times, indeed!

24 posted on 04/14/2002 8:57:27 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: 11B3
During the last congress a couple of years ago, I bombarded Cspan with info about the Progressive Caucus and links to DSA/USA. At that time they had a listing of the membership of the Progressive Caucus on their web site. Brian Lamb or a caucus member said on a Washington Journal program that there was no connection between the Progressive Caucus and the Democratic Socialist of America. Their claim was that they had no control who posted their membership. I say B...S...! and I don't mean B...ernie S...anders.
25 posted on 04/14/2002 9:01:08 PM PDT by rw4site
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To: rw4site
Thanks for the links...

All one has to do is peruse the Members of the Caucus to realize THE enemy has made great strides towards imprisoning America for their own subversive agenda...

Nevermind the Iraqis or the Taliban -- these people who are holding important position in our government are far more dangerous to life and liberty here in the U.S.

26 posted on 04/14/2002 9:07:53 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: 11B3
Nuke'em today and pump (oil) tomorrow!
27 posted on 04/14/2002 9:23:23 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: TomGuy
There were 54 members of congress listed with the socialist party in 2000, if there are 53 now, one must have lost their seat.
28 posted on 04/14/2002 11:41:29 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: 11B3
The Bush Doctrine is dead, the anti-evildoers crusade is over and our Sec of State is running errands for Pali terrorists! ...sigh

Next time tell us how you really feel! (c;

29 posted on 04/14/2002 11:56:00 PM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: Feenian
23 - let's see, first "ARAFAT is the former invader of JORDAN who has the blood of thousands on his hands", then NEXT

"ARAFAT is the former invader of Lebanon who has the blood of thousands on his hands"

THEN

"Sharon is the former invader of Lebanon who has the blood of thousands on his hands"

FINALLY, ARAFAT IS EGYPTIAN

30 posted on 04/15/2002 12:23:47 AM PDT by XBob
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To: Feenian
<,i>If you remember, Bush distinguished "terrorists of global reach" from ordinary garden-variety terrorists which are local and claim to be "freedom fighters". This was why the State Department kept Hamas and Hezbollah off their list of terrorist organizations at first.

That alone should chill your blood. Our government playing semantics in identifying enemies. "Today, the terrorists with GREEN hair are bad, and everyone else gets a get-out-of-jail-free card".

Israel complained and we backtracked and included those organizations --only to have Sharon argue afterwards that he was only doing in the West Bank what Bush was doing in Afghanistan--pursuing terrorists. He is right in a way.

You hypocritical nit. If these "supposed terrorists" were blowing themselves up in your neighborhood, and you lost a couple of family members... I bet you just might think Sharon was right ALL the way, not just "in a way".

But Arafat is not Osama. Nor is Sharon, Bush. Osama is a religious fanatic who represents no nation of people; Arafat is a secularist representing the Palestinians. Sharon is the former invader of Lebanon who has the blood of thousands on his hands; Bush has no such history of excessive violence to live down. In other words, the situation s more muddied in the Mideast than you propose in your statement.

Of all the things that makes me vomit, it is folks who pose as scholars, while getting all their research from tabloid headlines and the Crescent News Network or NPR. Arafat REPRESENTING Palestinians??? Now THERE is a howler! If your senator represented you in a similar way, you would be the next hot air explosion we hear! Not to mention your senator/representative would own 3 villas, would have the funds to swing a cash purchase of a castle in case he got exhiled, would wear only Armani suits, travel only in Mercedes Limos... etc. etc. etc. Oh, and in some 40 odd years of representation, he would only be able to get you misery, war, poverty and hatred... for wherever this great Arafat statesman has gone, those 4 horsemen have surely followed. Following your leader, in the past 30 years or so, you and your people would have been asked to terminate(and not in a polite way) your visits to Canada, Mexico, Cuba and the Dominican Republic. This is because wherever you and your leader went, nothing but trouble erupted, causing the locals to hate your guts and to toss your vile a$$ out.

And Sharon with the "blood of thousands" on his hands??? What a belch! If you could only bring yourself to visit a library, you would know that Sharon SUED Time magazine for that article, and while the federal jury in Manhattan did not find evidence of MALICE to convict Time, the jury did fault TIME for careless and negligent reporting and the magazine retracted a key part of its story. Actually, you don't even need to get out of your favorite TV chair... a couple of mouse clicks would have gotten you this information.

And in the past 18 months, Sharon's aversion to violence has been nothing short of miraculous. For 18 months, attack after attack on his citizens, he has bombed... empty buildings. While Bush, that non-blood stained "saint" went half way around the world and has carpet bombed away. (And a good thing too, that was the proper response). And even now, with the carpet bombing options as open to Sharon as they were to Bush, Sharon is risking his men in house to house fighting. I guarantee you, if the IDF wanted a massacre, not a stone of these fortified "refugee camps" would be standing. How you can even get these words past your teeth is a mystery. Shame on you.

31 posted on 04/15/2002 1:31:04 AM PDT by besieged
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To: 11B3
Wow, what a rant!!! (GOOD ONE!!!)

I have had a lot of these thoughts moving like a hurricane through my little mind. And here is what it all boils down to for me... (sorry, this is a sad story)

I actually have a frog for a friend. You know, not the "green" kind of frog..... but a French kind. And he is a good guy actually. Smart, thoughtful. For some time now, I have had the upper hand, and I could tease him about his inane customs, his inane laws, and his wimpy "Leaders". You know those Frenchies? The guys who spend the 1st week after surrender trying to find who the conqueror was?

Well, after the dance that Bush/Powell have completed, I can no longer have the upper hand... I have lost the moral authority, and he is now able to say to me "Take a good look around, you are not better than our French sissies".

It burns me, but he is in a way right. I fear it may be only days before he is 100% right.

32 posted on 04/15/2002 1:44:00 AM PDT by besieged
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To: Feenian
Come on now... give that old hag a rest. Yes, Sharon was indirectly responsible because he KNEW that it was going down and did nothing to prevent it.

OK... so he knew, and let them kill each other. And you know what??? The Israeli government PUNISHED him, not because he killed anyone, not because he sent someont to kill... but because he did not live up to the standards that the Israelis expect of themselves and their appointed representatives. And they were right, though I have no idea why they decided to place their standards so many levels above the rest of the world.

In any case, your hero Arafat brought Sharon out of the irrelevance. Barak twisted himself and Israel into a pretzel, and then coughed up the most amazing and suicidal offer for peace... this is after 7 years of Arafat breaking EVERY DAMN promise and agreement he mouthed or signed his worthless name to...

And of course, we know how "the Representative" in Arafat reacted.

And what of all my other points??? You are suspiciously quiet on them.

34 posted on 04/15/2002 2:21:48 AM PDT by besieged
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To: Feenian
And by the way--over 200 Palestinian kids were shot dead for throwing rocks in the first Intifada. The order was given to shoot to kill. But where are the tanks and the gunships to avenge them? Where are the American-schooled Arab spokespersons speaking flawless English who are ready to hit the talk shows to spin such atrocities to their advantage?

So tell me, the great vizier... why in the world were all those palestinian kids there in the 1st place??? What madman decided to put them there with rocks against the IDF?????? Why is it that the Arabs expect the Israeli's to play nice while the Arabs play to kill??? Those damn Jews, why won't they just die quietly, eh?

Where are the Arab spokespeople??? I challenge you to find a place where they are NOT! Flip the channels... you will be amazed how they litter the airwaves, just open your eyes. And if they ever run out, they will have YOU, Feenian, and the likes of you, shilling for them, spreading their lies for them, twisting the events for them... Worry not for their spokesmen, for I am in awe of the Arab spokespeople's abilities and discipline. On any news show where more than one viewpoint is being presented, they are the ones dominating the conversation, interrupting, shouting, shouting down ANYONE trying to speak against them. Finally, it hit a limit where Alan Keyes simply cut off the microphone to quiet him down in order to gain control of HIS OWN show!

Do not show me your crocodile tears.

37 posted on 04/15/2002 6:22:05 AM PDT by besieged
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To: 11B3
What Happened to "Either You're With Us, or You're With the Terrorists"?

The days when this REALLY flied in America are long gong. Our idealism once distinguished us from the Europeans, to whom we are similar otherwise.

For a people to be able to answer the question structured as "with us or with..." most people should be able to know where the separating line is. That is, one should not who is "us" and who is "terrorist." If multi-culturalism is about anything, it is about the absence of such lines. If there was any broad tendency in our culture, as well as western in general, it is the abolition of demarcation between good and evil.

Now, after several decades of these developments, having raised several amoral generations, you expect the majority of people in this country to figure these things out?

P.S. You reminded me of a joke that I heard a long time ago and will take the risk of retelling.

In a small Jewish village in Eastern Europe, where the Rabbi was typically consulted on the matters big and small, a young couple seeks advice on how to raise their child properly. The Rabbi asks, "And how old is your child?" The father replies, "She is six months old." The Rabbi gets visibly distressed and laments, "But you are way too late to be concerned about that!"

You too, my friend, are way too late to expect people to know the demarcation of right and wrong, "us" and "them."

38 posted on 04/15/2002 8:11:49 AM PDT by TopQuark
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