Facing the gay gestapo

The Advocate ^ | 4/16/02 | Tammy Bruce

[Khepera]

We don't think thieves or child molesters belong in a normal society either. Does this explain what we feel we should do to eliminate them?

[nickcarraway]

The character who murdered the Spacey character was definitely deeply disturbed. He was deeply disturbed because of his internalized homophobia. Did you miss that?

No, it would have been as impossible to miss that as if someone was standing on a soapbox screaming it at the top of their lungs. The heterosexual marriage left the Chris Cooper character's wife virtually catatonic and his son messed up. It is the intrinsic nature of marriage, to the filmmaker. Kevin Spacey and Annette Bening's marriage was only marginally better. Bening's character (a one dimensional stereotype that was a soporific cliche 15 years ago)was uptight and neurotic, because that's what a married woman is.

So the young heterosexual couple (the son of the Kevin Spacey character and his girlfriend) were "deeply disturbed and basically mentally"? I didn't think so.

Check again, they were pretty messed up, but less so, because maybe they could reject their parent's lifestyle.

I guess I got a different message than you did. The message that I got was the obvious contrast the (apparent) happiness of the gay couple with the obvious distress and ultimate destructiveness that internalized homophobia can cause.

No, I got that same message you did. Check my earlier post, your statement is basically a paraphrase of what I said. It was a very preachy movie. But the gay=good, straight=sick message was clear.

[nickcarraway]

I frankly don't remember the relationship between the Spacey character and his wife.

It's funny that you don't, since that was the main part of the movie. The homophobia angle was definitely part of the movie, but did you think that was the only angle?

[nickcarraway]

What do you mean by ``internalized homophobia?'' Is that any different than homophobia? Is their a externalized homophobia or un-internalized homophobia?

[nickcarraway]

There was one part of that movie that wasn't obvious from the first 15 minutes. The Mena Suvari character started out seeming like another cliched character, but ultimately hers was the only interesting character. That was the one part of the movie that didn't adhere strictly to our current cultural standards. I guess that was the one redeeming quality in an otherwise completely stereotypical, preachy film.

[nickcarraway]

I'm curious about what you said earlier because I can't recall ever seeing a gay character on television portrayed negatively. Witht the exception of characters who are ``homophobic because they are repressed homosexuals.''

[SkyPilot]

This guy was rumored to be, well......"

[Dianna]

The pRR (political religious right) kept a positive gay character off a series (I think it was Thirtysomething) in the 1980's using tactics similar to those that gay organizations used against the Dr Laura TV show.

They complained about seeing two gay men in bed and kissing. That doesn't have the same bland nice-ness as "positive gay character" does it?

[SkyPilot]

The Boy Scouts of America have nothing to fear from gay scout leaders. < sarcasm >

[wwjdn]

Given what we saw happen on Sept. 11th with people who were turned towards God, turning away from him might not be such a bad idea

Don't be led astray, Islamic terrorists are not doing God's will!!! I can only hope that these terrorists are called to meet their god soon. When judgement day comes, they are in for a major shock!

[IronJack]

Facing the gay gestapo

You certainly wouldn't want to turn your back on them.

[IronJack]

as proud as I am of “feminist,” “gay,” and “pro-choice.”

Author:

If you're any of those things, don't fret about being called a "conservative." At least not by conservatives. It won't happen. What you are is a whiny brat who can't commit to ANY ideology, and who convinces herself that she's "open-minded" by vacillating between the two camps. Kinda like David Crock ... er, ... Brock. You aren't opposed to any of the Left's beliefs on PRINCIPLE; your resistance just cost you an invitation to the good parties. Therefore, you simply swell the ranks of moral cowards.

[RWBaral]

"proud to be gay, feminist, pro-choice"? The truth about the "gay gestapo" is quite correct. In many states they now have the power of the State behind them, as in Vermont with "hate crimes" and the State Attorney General's office positioning itself to enter the crusade of stifling any dissent - especially religious - of the homosexual lifestyle.

[mondonico]

I think that homosexuality is wrong; morally wrong, but it shouldn't be illegal. God may take exception to the act, but that's between the individual and God, so long as no one else is hurt by it.

Good point. Some would say fornication outside of marriage is wrong; morally wrong, but I, like, you, believe that the government has no business policing what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms.

I don't think many people think otherwise. The problem is that in our increasingly socialist, entitlement-based society, people practicing acts morally repugnant to others feel that they are entitled to much more than tolerance (i,e, the right to be left alone). Dissenting protestant sects left England because they wanted tolerance--the right to worship as they pleased. Today's activists want much more--they want to become the Established Church. It's not enough to be left alone--deviants today want the official seal of approval from society, and all the socialist wealth-transfers that entails.