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**CHINESE LEADERS QUIETLY TOURING ARAB STATES**
World Tribune.com and Geo Strategy Direct ^ | April 23, 2002 | Bill Gertz- Washington Times Military Reporter

Posted on 04/17/2002 8:46:42 AM PDT by codebreaker

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To: goldylight
There was a bump list with all of the posts by Black Jade.
41 posted on 04/17/2002 10:23:24 AM PDT by codebreaker
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To: goldylight
...warned back in October..."Freepers watch for the silent finger of Red China in the terrorist attacks and the shift of the center of Muslim terror to Indonesia.." Was vigorously flamed by Freepers screaming the ChiComs were our allies on this one... didn't bother posting again...anyone remember Red China all over Africa and the Muslim world in the seventies and eighties? remember terror then / Achille Lauro ? bombings, hijackings? assassinations? remember the ChiComs were the instigators then and have a million man army in Africa now in the guise of Whampoa... now flame me some more...
42 posted on 04/17/2002 10:26:05 AM PDT by chemainus
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To: John H K
WHAT leaders? What countries?

Jiang Zemin happens to be in Tunisia, where the big synagogue attack took place.

Zhu Rongji in Turkey.

43 posted on 04/17/2002 10:26:11 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: codebreaker
I can't speak to "Seeds of Fire" which came out after my book ... but it is certainly one of the central themes of my own book:


DRAGON'S FURY - BREATH OF FIRE

Book one of the series has been out there selling for almost six months. Book two is going to be released in late May, early June.

There is no doubt in my mind, with their cultural approach to conflict, and their continuing ideology, that the Chinese are up to their eyeballs in all of this ... and it is leading somewhere. This series tries to give one scenarion of where that could be.

44 posted on 04/17/2002 10:26:38 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: John H K
"...who know less about things military than a retarded hamster."

In the interest of sensitivity, don't you really mean a 'special needs' hamster?

45 posted on 04/17/2002 10:26:59 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: John H K
The ChiComs can attack with missiles and blockade.

You never make any real sense.

46 posted on 04/17/2002 10:27:58 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy; John H K
The ChiComs can attack with missiles and blockade.
You never make any real sense.

His post lists several explicit and excellent reasons why an invasion is unlikely or even impossible... then you post a fantasy about a missile attack and blockade that would anger the world, rush the U.S. to their aid, and would gain no headway onto the island... all risk for no gain... and you say HE makes no sense? ROFL.

47 posted on 04/17/2002 10:33:30 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: John H K
>People need to objectively look at the WHOLE CURRENT PRC military, WITHOUT the bias of trying to make them look like supermen...

That's a good idea.

Have you seen the recent assessment of the US military from the National Review? Here's an excerpt and the thread link [my bold]:

"Deterred from close-quarter battle in Kosovo by a lesser air defense than what now protects Saudi Arabia, the United States flew 37,000 sorties over 78 days to destroy 13 tanks, which made up less than 2 percent of Serbia's inventory. To accomplish this, the Air Force endured what its chief of staff called a strain heavier than either that of the Gulf War or that of Vietnam. And for nearly four months during this period, and beyond, while naval engagements between the Koreas resulted in the sinking of a North Korean gunboat, the United States had not a single carrier in the entire Western Pacific.

After September 11, combat air patrols over just a few American cities — requiring approximately 100 sorties per day from home bases, with neither aircraft nor bases under attack — were said by American officials, as paraphrased by the Washington Post, to "stretch the limits of the Air Force" and "severely tax military resources." What of the 1,800 fighters and bombers the RAF had to face on a single day in August 1940? Why is it that the American armed forces, with 6,000 strike aircraft, are strained by 100 sorties per day, when on the 4th of June, 1967, Israel's 290-plane air force flew more than 1,000 sorties?

[Phony War, National Review | 4/15/02 | Mark Helprin]

Possibly China is not Lou Ferrigno. But then, the US appears to be falling short of being Arnold Schwarzenegger...

Mark W.

48 posted on 04/17/2002 10:40:38 AM PDT by MarkWar
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To: Teacher317
His posts make sense because an invasion is not planned. For the reasons he states.

His comments are obvious.

The reasoning is the exact opposite of what you say. The missile attack would be swift and immediate.

It would plan for capitulation prior to any international response being possible.

John H K has a history, so my comment does not come from left field. To discuss and dismiss any threat to Taiwan by simply talking about the difficulty of a Normandy style invasion (in long and unnecessary pseudo-detail as he did as well) while ignroing the actual major issues of missiles and submarine blockade is to make no real sense.

It is in fact a way to obfuscate the issue rather than shed light on it.

And, PS, I seem to remember you as well. So your silly posts is not surprising.

49 posted on 04/17/2002 10:46:40 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Teacher317
His posts make sense because an invasion is not planned. For the reasons he states.

This of course should be no sense. He being John H K.

If it is news to you that a Normandy style invasion is unlikely then it'd be best for you to catch up a bit.

50 posted on 04/17/2002 10:48:50 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Thorn11cav
Problem is it is American companies selling Chinese made goods. So if you boycott, all you end up doing is hurting American companies while trying to stick it to the Chinese. Why cut off your nose to spite your face?

The US is the world's only economic superpower, and no country even comes close. Microsoft's GDP would rank higher than the country of Spain. The only way to increase the manufacaturing base in the US is to bust unions, and restore wages/benefits to market-based levels instead of union pay scales.

52 posted on 04/17/2002 11:02:19 AM PDT by caa26
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To: codebreaker
Was this a trip that had been scheduled for long?

I reported on it last month, here Chinese Leader Jiang Zemin State Visit to Iran Next Month - Heads Political and Economic Delegation.

53 posted on 04/17/2002 11:07:00 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: caa26
The US cannot trust the Chinese government, but economic isolationism is pure idiocy. Can anyone name an isolationist country that has a strong economy?

Good point. The US is the largest trader in the world. In many ways it's the US's trading system. We control it, it's ours, why should we abandon it? I think we should fight for it instead. It's an american interest. Any nation which threatens world trade should have to face american military power.

54 posted on 04/17/2002 11:11:08 AM PDT by Eagle74
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To: tallhappy
You wrote:
Post 46: You never make any real sense. [addressed to John H K]
Post 49: His posts make sense because an invasion is not planned. For the reasons he states. His comments are obvious. [regarding John H K's post]

And you call me silly?

55 posted on 04/17/2002 11:11:41 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
Yes. Very silly. Especially this post.
56 posted on 04/17/2002 11:12:36 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
Hmmm...so the Chi Com leaders under the guise of going to Iran decide to tour the whole region
57 posted on 04/17/2002 11:27:55 AM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
For what it's worth, my hubby, who works at Honeywell (used to be Allied Signal) said they received the first of many jet engines completely manufactured and tested in China. These engines are not retested at the facility here in Phoenix (his job is testing these engines). He refuses to fly in any airliner.
58 posted on 04/17/2002 11:41:34 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: chemainus
You are correct in your analysis that China is behind some of the terrorist problems we have; not to mention their proxy's operating in Africa.

Each idealogy or communist government has tried to expand its influence by funding small groups of dissents, and/or "freedom fighters" (love that term freedom fighter which usually denotes "communist" or warlord, read Single Man leadership in the name of the oppressed peoples).

Yes, China is our enemy. But we kept them economically engaged in order to assert enough influence to keep them from stepping too far out of line; for, it is the greed of the generals in China (and those who profit within every society) that cut the deals that make World Relations remain peaceful inspite of the Political Orientation or Cold-War ongoing between their Nation and it's enemies.

59 posted on 04/17/2002 11:56:16 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: tallhappy
The ChiComs can attack with missiles and blockade.

As usual, tallhappy, you are right. The ChiComs are not planning a "Normandy-style invasion." Hence all discussion of same is irrelevant, moot, besides the point.

China is not interested in fighting the conventional war that a bunch of white boys fought in WW II but in a multi-faceted "asymmetric" warfare that combines threats of blockade, economic pressure through Taiwanese investments in China, cyber-attacks, and missile attacks to gain its objective vis-a-vis Taiwan. At present, China is moving ever more intermediate range missile batteries into Fukien Province, opposite Taiwan. Taiwan is and should be concerned about this threat, as should we.

60 posted on 04/17/2002 12:06:02 PM PDT by Map Kernow
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