Posted on 04/18/2002 6:14:05 AM PDT by Pokey78
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And This one:
Mount Weather's Russian Twin
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By Patricia Neill
Matrix Editor
On April 16, 1996, the New York Times reported on a mysterious military base being constructed in Russia: "In a secret project reminiscent of the chilliest days of the Cold War, Russia is building a mammoth underground military complex in the Ural Mountains, Western officials and Russian witnesses say. Hidden inside Yamantau mountain in the Beloretsk area of the southern Urals, the project involved the creation of a huge complex, served by a railroad, a highway, and thousands of workers."
The New York Times article quotes Russian officials describing the underground compound variously as a mining site, a repository for Russian treasures, a food storage area, and a bunker for Russia's leaders in case of nuclear war.
It would seem that the Russian Parliament knows as little about Russian underground bases as the Congress knows about Mount Weather in the United States. "The (Russian) Defense Ministry declined to say whether Parliament has been informed about the details of the project, like its purpose and cost, saying only that it receives necessary military information," according to the New York Times.
"We can't say with confidence what the purpose is, and the Russians are not very interested in having us go in there," a senior American official said in Washington. "It is being built on a huge scale and involves a major investment of resources. The investments are being made at a time when the Russians are complaining they do not have the resources to do things pertaining to arms control."
Where's the Money Coming From?
The construction of the vast underground complex in Russia may very well become a cause of concern to the Clinton Administration. The issue of ultimate purpose for the complex, whether defensive (as with Mount Weather) or offensive (such as an underground weapons factory) is not the only issue Mr. Clinton has to worry about.
The real cause for concern is that the US is currently sending hundreds of millions of dollars to Russia, supposedly to help that country dismantle old nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, the Russian parliament has been complaining to Yeltsin that it cannot pay $250 million in back wages owed to its workers at the same time that it is spending money to comply with new strategic arms reduction treaties.
Aviation Week and Space Technology reported that "It seems the nearly $30 billion a year spent on intelligence hasn't answered the question of what the Russians are up to at Yamantau Mountain in the Urals. The huge underground complex being built there has been the object of U.S. interest since 1992. 'We don't know exactly what it is,' says Ashton Carter, the Pentagon's international security mogul. The facility is not operational, and the Russians have offered 'nonspecific reassurances' that it poses no threat to the U.S."
U.S. law states that the Administration must certify to Congress that any money sent to Russia is used to disarm its nuclear weapons. However, is that the case? If the Russian parliament is complaining of a shortage of funds for nuclear disarmament, then how can Russia afford to build the Yamantau complex?
Are the Russians building an underground city akin to Mount Weather with American taxpayer's money? Could American funds be subsidizing a Russian weapons factory? Hopefully Congress will get a firm answer to these questions before authorizing further funding to Russian military projects.
(c) Copyright 1996 ParaScope, Inc.
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Not wanting to read the article, I did word searches on the following other nations, and came up blank:
Libya
Egypt
Syria
Ghana
Nicaragua
Zimbabwe
South Africa
Southwest Africa/Namibia
I could have done more, but, why? I guess that either:
A) The Soviet Union played no role in these nations in the years 1950 - 1989, or
B) They were all vital "buffer states" to the national security interest of the Soviets.
Because it very plainly shows that the wacko left STILL does not believe Communism and the Soviet Union were a threat to the Western Way of life, or anything else.
Peter Jennings, the prominent Canadian news reader, still cannot bring himself to agree that Alger Hiss was a Communist agent. Neither can Bryant Gumbel, idiotic Clymerbrother of the famous sportscaster. They, of course are joined by a host of others, who fly in the face of the revelations of the newly public papers of state and the results of "Venona" intercepts.
Of course, North American leftists are merely a pale imitation of Britain's Loony Left, where half the old Labour Party was on the payroll of the Czech and East German Intelligence Service.
Even within the context of the commentary itself, there's a lot of "and a miracle happens here" in the narrative.
Well, it IS one way of looking at Moscow's tossing aside (as in not even bothering to try anymore) actual Communism for open totalitarianism within just a few years. I'd just call it "obvious failure".
This is all a very complicated rationalization but I think I understand now. Admittedly, it has the advantage of being Not Simplistic. (It has the disadvantage of being utterly sick BS...)
I think this is a pretty good summary of the article.
I think you've got this guy pegged.
The U.S. has it's share on the payroll
Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies,.....Or... Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever knew
Actually the first part of the author's thesis is well known by the original conservative movement as the example of President Ike illustrates.
We conservatives must remember that it was the Left wing globalists of the Roosevelt era that created the UN and NATO and invented the lie of the "missile gap" to defeat Nixion in favor of Kennedy.
There is a growing movement of thought amongst conservative right wing thinkers that the early years rule of the post WW2 years by Left Wing globalists of the Roosevelt era that created a self fufilling prophecy of the "Cold War" when it came to USSR and the West. For example, the USSR would never have supported the rival Red Chinese (to the extent of giving them nuclear technology) if the USSR did not feel threatened by the West (which even after WW2 was larger and richer than the USSR. Even if the USSR occupied Eastern Europe, those lands had no factories or populations that would have fought for the USSR in any fashion during the post war period).
Finally the role of John Foster and Allen Dulles and his ilk need to be examined. Both Ike and JFK and Nixon hated these men and the power they built around their CIA. It can be argued that Allen Dulles was more of a threat to America in those early years than the USSR ever was.
In fact the early years of the CIA can be argued as an extension of Nazi campaign against the USSR. The CIA's reliance on the Gehlen Group is just such an example:
It was under the reign of these men in the CIA that the the pretext of the Cold War gave us the need of such programs as MK ULTRA and God in heavens knows what.
No flames please. I just presented the argument of why conservatives would now question the concept of a Cold War with the USSR, especially in its early post war years.
I have not myself made up my mind on this, but as I read more about, I as a critical reader of history must start to ponder the matter, especially if the sources are those that I would have respected otherwise (such as the UK's Spectator).
I think your thesis deserves much serious consideration because of subsequent events. The CIA certainly spiralled downhill toward the James Jesus Angleton era, when it became hopelessly entrapped in a "Hall of Mirrors" designed by the KGB.
The East Germans and the Russians seemed to have played us pretty thoroughly from the Gehlen era onwards, culminating in the era of fake defectors, which split our intelligence community in a 'civil war,' the effects of which are still being felt.
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