Jenin: the bloody truth

http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/article/0,,178-273694,00.html ^ | April 21, 2002 | Marie Colvin

[CHQmacer]

The Palestinians are their own worst enemies. If they knew what Arafat had turned down because he didn't want peace. They would kill him.

They'll never know and would never believeif told. They only believe what they want to believe. The truth is irrelevent.

Arafat is responsible for the Palestinian suffering. As soon as the Palestinians pull their heads out and see the truth they will have an independent homeland. That has always been the case. They've been suffering all of these years becase they consistently believe their own lies.

[CARepubGal]

Well, if the "poor poor residents" had shown some initiative (cleaning up their living areas and kicking the terrorists out say) I might feel a little sympathy. Instead, the terrorists, much like a violent street gang in So Cal, were protected and people stayed where it was unsafe. I would never live in a gang infested area any longer than I absolutely had to . Jenin is the equivalent to South Central LA with the Crips or Bloods (or other varied ethnicity type street gangs) all around you. With all the capital flowing into "palestine" it is more disgusting than any favela or slum south of the border. Surely there has to be at least ONE wealthy Arab supporter who wants the Palestinians to live decently; not all Arabs want these folks to become human missiles. Or maybe that is their real value to the Saudis and other wealthy oil producing countries.

[tet68]

Terje Roed-Larsen, the United Nations envoy to the Middle East, cut through the propaganda by stating the obvious: "No military operation can justify this scale of destruction. Whatever the purpose was, the effect is collective punishment of a whole society."

Good Quisling, now you're are starting to understand.

[CHQmacer]

The only person that wins in all of this is Sadam Hussain. He is paying the suicide murderers to do his bidding. It hurts the Palestinians the most. They are just pawns in a much bigger game and their too ignorant to see the obvious.

What I don't understand is how they choose their ignorance. They insist on it. Maybe the truth is just too painfull to admit.

[CHQmacer]

The press is saying that we must deal with arafat because he's the only one that we can deal with. Let the Isrealis decide whom they'll deal with. Whomever they deal with , He'll be assasinated by the Palestinians if he actually brokers peace. Fine with me. They just need to come up with an isreali stooge that will give Isreal what they need to be secure in return for a brief peace. As soon as the antifada starts up again Isreal will be in a better political position to use force to create more security. Arafat has to be killed first. The Irealis may need to kill him and make it look like the Palestinians did it. Then pick someone better to deal with.

[CHQmacer]

They need brutal repressive rule. They can't live with anything else. If we were strong Arab leaders would do our bidding in order to stay in power ( like Iran used to ) and we could rule indirectly while the ignorent Arab masses are clueless as usual.

They will always be clueless. The problem is that we allow the Arab govs to use anti-American propaganda as an excuse for their failures. That is stupid.

As soon as we make if very clear that they will be removed from power if they don't crack down hard on their anti-American press islamic fundamentalists it will happen.

We may need to kill a couple of million in order to make our point but probably not. Removing Sadam in a very aggressive way and setting up a puppet government there with an American bayonett in his back would probably be enouph and would be relatively easy.

We need to put the 400 billion military budget to good use. Right now we're wasting about 350 billion of it while America and the civilized world is under a very real an serious threat.

[nicholle]

The spin in this article is unreal. I thought I was reading a novel for a moment, not a news piece. I am actively searching for an article that chronicles - Milan Kundera style - the blood and massacre of the Israelis.

How can any intelligent person read this and not recognize the propaganda?

By the way, did anyone catch the Saturday Night Live piece on the French last night? Priceless.

[VOA]

Stunned and dusty in this new world, returning Palestinians wandered around
a moonscape the size of two football pitches.

Here's a good indication that this report was done by a "professional journalist".

The reporter couldn't just say the area is fairly consistent with the 70 X 100 yard
zone of flattened buildings mentioned in one of the articles titled "The Massacre
That Wasn't".
About the size of the patch of ground occupied by the high school stadium at
my high school in "flyover country". Just Huge....right...
(Different articles under this title appeared in The New York Post and The Wall Street Journal.)

Yep, if the court of world opinion declares the Israeli Defense Force guilty
of a "holocaust" in the Jenin Camp...
they'll hold the record for "Smallest Holocaust in Terms of Area" in the history
of mankind at arms.

But don't expect this to be mentioned on "the news".
True TV newspersons know that truth usually doesn't pump up ratings like a good story.

[ThreeOfSeven]

It's not possible to have an independent homeland under the hostile and destructive Israeli occupation. All the Israeli soldiers and settlers must leave the occupied territories.

[VOA]

The first residents worried only for their next rations and fretted impotently as their
rich orange groves in Haifa were rebranded Jaffa oranges by Israel and exported around the world.

This is the sort of thing that happens when you back the wrong horse.

They had a chance to be part of a sunny Switzerland (without the snow and ice)
but cheered on the Arab League in hopes of driving the Jews into the sea.

They lost.
And still haven't figured out that they could make a good deal with the Israelis.

Like the 25% of the Israeli population that is Arab/Muslim.

Like a statesman said long ago:
"They never miss a chance...to miss a chance."

[Inyokern]

The story changes. The European press initially bought into the massacre stories. Now that those seem to be proven untrue, the European press has to cast about for other reasons to justify their portrayal of the Israelis as monsters.

Holding people hostage in their houses?

[RWG]

"No military operation can justify this scale of destruction. Whatever the purpose was, the effect is collective punishment of a whole society."

9/11 now haunts the perpetrators and celebrators of that trajedy. Remember these were the folks who were joyfully celebrating in the streets as the WTC buildings came crashing down in the same kind of rubble that is now their just due.

[LJ]

Those of you who still believe Israelis are morally superior to Palestinians in the matter of killing civilians wantonly should read this article carefully.

Too late. I already flushed.

[Leisler]

Have another cocktail. "Imagine pushing your kids out of windows to safety while a bulldozers charges into your house without warning. " Without warning, Ha! The area is the size of a soccer field. It took the jews a week to clear it. That is a pace less then a meter per hour. But maybe the palis are as stupid as you are and even though there is room to room fighting, propane bombs going off less than 40 meters from your house---you'd stay there, with your children never the less. Get real, this is no forum to peddle ignorent pap.

[mv1]

Didn't you wonder why they wanted all TV reporters and so on out of there? No witnesses. The whole world is watching.