Right-wing tide surges straight to the heart of Europe

The Daily Telegraph ^ | April 22, 2002 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

[NovemberCharlie]

Here's an article in Haaretz that seems to include an interview with him. The reporters themselves don't appear to reach the unqualified conclusion that he's an anti-semite.

[July 4th]

No, and no. Both are far too entrenched. BUT, a slide to the right will lead to a rollback of policies that simply went too far. Even though Le Pen has no chance on May 5th, his "win" today will be another chink in the armor of socialist Europe.

[Optimist]

I wonder if the sudden re-emergeance of anti-semitism throughout Europe isn't related to the recent swing to the right politically. Establishing a scapegoat in the form of the "The Jews" (or "The Muslims" in the case of France) is historically used by demagogues to solidify their seat in power as the "purgers of the evil within".

Certainly the European press has NOT been more supportive of Israel than the Palestinian Muslims, which raise the question: Are they a shadow of a declining political force? Or, are they a reflection of a rising tide.

[Doctor Mongo]

There was a post-election interview with Le Pen on CNN International tonight where he described himself as "socially left" and "economically right". In addition, he linked French unemployment with immigration and Socialist economic policy.

[Nick Danger]

Could this be the beginning of the end of the EU itself?

I think it is. The fundamental problem is that people in the industrialized West are all so busy with economic endeavors that they are failing to replace themselves by having children. I don't think there's a single Western European country with a birth rate that approaches the level necessary to sustain a constant population. The result is a vacuum that sucks in humans from surrounding cultures to perform the less desirable jobs.

We are luckier than the Europeans because the people close enough to get sucked in by our own birth dearth are mostly Hispanic, and hence Christian. They basically have the same sorts of values we do. Plus, our immigrants do not arrive here on a mission from Allah to destroy us as infidels. Their immigrants do, and that's a big difference.

The debates we have here about whether Islam is a peaceful religion are academic compared to the ones going on now in Europe. They have huge sections of their cities full of Moslems, and the idea has now been planted in their heads that these people could turn into suicide bombers or worse.

So they are getting real upset with this, and they want their governments to stop the influx of these people, because they are starting to get scared.

Will this wake them up to the fact that their geography is being occupied by another people because they are not bothering to have and raise children? No, they'll blame the politicians, or the Moslems, or somebody else for the fact that Nature is quietly sweeping them from the planet, which is what Nature does to anything that doesn't reproduce.

This is probably hiccup one -- of three or four -- before the Europeans discover that they are outnumbered in their own countries and can no longer even set government policy.

In another hundred years or so, what's left of their culture will probably begin an exodus from Europe, with their first choice being the largest Christian country, los Estados Unidos de América. The Spaniards will get in; I'm not sure about the rest.

[Catphish]

It is not the Right that's virulently opposed to Israel and the Jews in Europe and elsewhere it’s the Left and their allies in the Muslim community. His election would be a blow to the forces that are primarily lined up against the Jews.

The Jews probably face a much more secure future, in fact, if someone like Le Pen comes to power. I don't see how it does them or Israel any good to have France or Italy or Spain as a MAJORITY muslim nation as each of them is becoming.

That's provided he's not some Hitlerite, but I don't know enough, and I really don't trust the media who will smear anyone with that brush if they even hint they are opposed to mass immigration.

[sleavelessinseattle]

I want to know the difference between a right winger and a left winger when thy don't believe in our Constitutional government. To me, they are ALL traitors.

You're pretty spot on there, Buck. I guess you'd have to support whoever you deemed most likely to be ineffective in the Gubmint so they do less damage. I sure wish the checks and balances were better in this country. Bush needs to get those conservative judicial appointments through!..Have a good week!

[FITZ]

Could this be the beginning of the end of the EU itself?

Let's hope so ---the pendulum is swinging back the other direction. No one but a certain group of elitists wants one-world government ---it's time it come crashing down.

[SkyPilot]

It needs to be said, again and again,

The NSDAP was the German acronym for "National Socialist Democratic Workers Party."

The English abbreviation of "NAZI" came from the word: "Nationalsozialistiche."

At its heart, it was:

1. Anti-Jewish

2. Anti-Christian

AND believed in supreame power of the central state, offering rights to certain "protected" classes while demonizing it oppostion.

Sound familiar?

[FITZ]

We are luckier than the Europeans because the people close enough to get sucked in by our own birth dearth are mostly Hispanic, and hence Christian. They basically have the same sorts of values we do.

That's true. Given the choice between living in Mexico and living in Afghanistan, I think most of us would pick Mexico.

[Phillip Augustus]

It sounds familiar all right; sounds like modern Islam.

[staytrue]

European people have witnessed what mass Immigration and left wing politics have done to their nations. Finally, they have realized the error of their ways

An alternative explanation is that the white europeans were perfectly content with the welfare state as long as the free loaders looked like they did (ie. white). However, no f-ing way are they about to have free loaders who are muslim, african, turkish or whatever. In a very ironic way, immigration may have caused a rejection of the welfare state. In a very odd way, immigration may be good for europe because the welfare state ends.

[FITZ]

I think if the Muslims are sent back to their own Islamic paradises and aren't allowed to freely immigrate to better countries, they might have to change some things about their culture and their birthrate. They are breeding women at such a young age and keeping them producing because they've decided it's their best way to overtake the world ---and it works only as long as they are allowed to use this. If instead they had to feed themselves instead of being parasites on the Western world, they'd have to work on raising their own standard or living and education levels.

[McGavin999]

He's not only an anti-semite, he's also anti-American. There are several articles about him on the forum tonight, including a rather chilling article about him.

There really isn't much chance of him winning the runoff though but his placement will definitely send a message to the French politicians. If they don't figure it out, they're dead meat.

[Timesink]

Sound familiar?

Yes, but what's your point? Are you saying Le Pen is Hitleresque, or what?

[FITZ]

white europeans were perfectly content with the welfare state as long as the free loaders looked like they did (ie. white). However, no f-ing way are they about to have free loaders who are muslim

I think most countries set up a welfare state to provide for their own people. It doesn't matter what color the outsiders who come to crash in on it are ---I've heard British people complaining a lot about white Irish who move over to get in on their dole.

[cicero's_son]

Thanks for the links.

[Regulator]

The fundamental problem is that people in the industrialized West are all so busy with economic endeavors that they are failing to replace themselves by having children

Remember that the failure to reproduce is the result of variety of movements - the overpopulation scaremongering of the early '70s, women's liberation leading to abortion and postponement of childbearing, the hedonistic nihilism that was the ultimate underpinning of the '60s.

The fact that it all ended up in a crass, commercialistic rush to "make money" was just the forseeable outcome of a generation dedicated to self gratification, without regard for the future of either their families or their country.

[Psycho_Bunny]

This article seems balanced and fair.

Are you SURE it's from a British paper?

>:P

[Nick Danger]

I think if the Muslims are sent back to their own Islamic paradises and aren't allowed to freely immigrate to better countries

That's the same answer the LePen voters are coming up with, but it won't solve the problem. Take Sweden: there are only about 8 million Swedes. At their current birth rate (and it is still declining), in six generations -- call it 120 years -- there will not be enough Swedes in Sweden to occupy a decent-sized town. What are they going to do, put up a fence?

All these people are either going to change their priorities, or they will be overrun by people from other cultures. That can't be stopped; it's Nature At Work.

They are breeding women at such a young age and keeping them producing because they've decided it's their best way to overtake the world

Their countries are close enough to India and China that they get the part about overtaking the world real well. China will probably overrun Russia. The Indians will be coming their way. They probably see what they are doing as defense.