Sunset the Amok Federal Bureaucracy (support H.R. 2373)

email from sixtysecondactivist.com ^ | 4/29/02 | Congressmen Kevin Brady(R) & Jim Turner(D)

[tacticalogic]

A better way might be to abolish them first, then let the voters and congress decide if and when such dangerous domestic troops are ever needed again.

Absolutely. The only systemic solution is to go after the problem and quit wasting time and energy trying to beat the symptoms back. I think the first order of business is to throw out FDR's version of the Commerce Clause, and disband every federal agency, and throw out every regulation based on it, until we get a constitutional amendment specifically re-authorizing it.

[Grampa Dave]

Exactly, the words of this bill show why it would be a waste of time and energy to send to this to the Senate with Da$$hole as majority thug:

You posted: I was thinking the same thing. However, when reading the bill I noticed that 6 members of the Committee shall be members of the Senate, to be appointed by the Senate Majority Leader, who may appoint himself a member of the committee as well.

Good pickup!

[cake_crumb]

"I agree, Satan's gonna have to get a sleigh to ride around in !"

Yep. If the bill passed today, they'd be having snowball fights in hell for sure.

[cake_crumb]

Correction: that should have been "If the bill passed today, they'd be having snowball fights in hell TOMORROW for sure."

[UCANSEE2]

Here's another good idea.

If the Politicians get to vote on bills that affect the general public, the general public should get to vote on bills that affect politicians (directly).

Two examples, this bill, and their pay raises.

.....And then I woke up from my dream !

[RFP]

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[Max McGarrity]

BTTT!

[cake_crumb]

"If the Politicians get to vote on bills that affect the general public, the general public should get to vote on bills that affect politicians (directly).

"Two examples, this bill, and their pay raises.

.....And then I woke up from my dream !"

OH, but what a GREAT DREAM!! Dream away! Dreams are free...darned good thing, because Congress' gubbmint programs aren't...taxes are the only nightmare we can't wake up from.

[ExSoldier]

I remember when the first stun weapon came on the market: The NOVA XR5000. I once used one to break up a bar fight when I first got off active duty in 1984 and it sent the drunken, coked up, angel dusted combatants straight to the floor, whereupon my fellow bouncers promptly stomped them bloody and all the way unconscious! So maybe the later versions are weaklings, but I remember when.....

I have also seen some of our species actually hold a live bare electrical wire while plugged into a standard wall socket! Some folks are just resistent to electricity. Never saw anybody do the same thing (stand there and grin) when hit in the chest with a 230gr 45 slug.

[tacticalogic]

If the Politicians get to vote on bills that affect the general public, the general public should get to vote on bills that affect politicians (directly).

People have to opportunity to submit for consideration and vote on issues at the state and local levels. They have no such recourse at the federal level. When every issues is decided and every policy dictated from inside the beltway, there really isn't much left of any consequence for the voters to have a direct voice in. The federal government needs to back off and let the states decide some things for themselves. We need to go back to the idea of "laboratories of democracy", instead of the 50 control groups we've got now.

[hattend]

BTTT

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Thanks for the ping, RFP. They're amok, for sure....even if this only serves as a reminder to the Santa Clause wannabes on Capitol Hill that we're watching, it's worth it.

I almost hate to ask, but how many Federal programs are there and how would any Congressional committee be able to do this massive job and still do their Constitutionally mandated jobs?

It's a start. Hey, this week, at this moment, the entire Bible is being read on the Capitol lawn...by volunteers who will read 24 hours a day through May 2nd (National Day of Prayer). If we're asking for a miracle, this may be the week. (^:

[ancient_geezer]

Added to my list of bills to take a closer look at:

Billy Tauzin offers a 15% retail sales tax that replaces all income taxes but doesn't touch SS/Mediscare payroll taxes, that comes close to meeting the essentials of what it takes to reverse trend on taxes:

H.R.2717
Sponsor: Rep Tauzin, W. J. (Billy)(introduced 8/2/2001)
Title: To promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity for families by repealing the income tax, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

John Linder (R Texas) offers a more comprehensive bill to kill all income and payroll taxes outright, and provide a revenue neutral replacement:

H.R.2525
SPONSOR: Rep Linder, John (introduced 07/17/2001)
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.
Refer: http://www.fairtax.org & http://www.salestax.org

Other bills, moving in the proper direction are:

To get the ball rolling and focus Congress Critter's attention:

H.R.2714
Sponsor: Rep Largent, Steve(introduced 8/2/2001)
Title: To terminate the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.
A bill to prohibit he imposition of any tax by the Internal Revenue Code: (1) for any taxable year beginning after December 31, 2005.

To sunset some agencies we don't need and rein in their expenditures:

H.R.2373
Sponsor: Rep Brady, Kevin(introduced 6/28/2001)
Title: To provide for the periodic review of the efficiency and public need for Federal agencies, to establish a Commission for the purpose of reviewing the efficiency and public need of such agencies, and to provide for the abolishment of agencies for which a public need does not exist.

Modification then enact and ratify:

H.J.RES.45
Sponsor: (introduced 4/25/2001)
Latest Major Action: 5/9/2001 Referred to House subcommitte.
Title: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the Untied States Government from engaging in the business in competition with its citizens.

(Modified to prohibit all income, payroll, gift estate taxes as HR2525 calls for, or we will see European VAT style hidden taxes along with payroll excises to take over in the place of the of the current individual income tax(i.e. personal income tax) that Ron Paul amendment prohibits.)

And to keep em reminded that there is indeed a Constitution to pay attention to:

H.R.175
Sponsor: (introduced 1/3/2001)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2001 Referred to House subcommittee
Title: To require Congress to specify the source of authority under the United States Constitution for the enactment of laws, and for other purposes.

[RFP]

SEC. 5. CRITERIA FOR REVIEW.

The Commission shall evaluate the efficiency and public need for each agency pursuant to section 4(a) using the following criteria:

...and not a g'damn mention of whether the rat-bastard thing is even Constitutional! Sheesh, I bet this was written by the same ignorant (of thier Oaths of Office) numbnuts who hit us with CFR.

Calling Ron Paul....paging Mr. Ronald Paul... hello? ((hello, hello, hello....))

[RFP]

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[RFP]

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[2Trievers]

Thanks RFP

Sounds too wonderful to be true and you know what they about things to good to be true ... *sigh* My letter is on its way ... my hope springs eternal. &;-)

[Southack]

Please remove me from your Bump/Ping list.

[tortoise]

Some folks are just resistent to electricity. Never saw anybody do the same thing (stand there and grin) when hit in the chest with a 230gr 45 slug.

It'll certainly wake you up in the morning. I'm one of those stupid bastards that is resistant to electricity. :-)

Nonetheless, I don't think too many people stand there and grin when hit with a slug of any size. My girlfriend's Dad, who did 11-years(!) of military service with the US Army in Vietnam and killed more communists than he can remember, swore up and down that his favorite combat firearm in the entire theatre was the .30 Carbine, and he'd used everything. In his words, the communists didn't seem to care what size the bullet hole was; they died just the same no matter what he used and big bullets required heavy guns. So he picked something light, accurate, and with a usable full-auto mode.

He was one hardcore bastard and everything an American is supposed to be. It is a damn shame he is dying from liver cancer caused by Hep-C that he contracted from a blood transfusion during one of the many times he was wounded in action.

[ancient_geezer]

I bet this was written by the same ignorant (of thier Oaths of Office) numbnuts who hit us with CFR.

Probably, I think I had better move

H.R.175
Sponsor: (introduced 1/3/2001)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2001 Referred to House subcommittee
Title: To require Congress to specify the source of authority under the United States Constitution for the enactment of laws, and for other purposes.

To the top of my list of bills to contemplate.