Posted on 05/01/2002 10:38:20 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
Maybe not. Anyone with any familiarity regarding the PLO's position on the conflict knows that they are on record as saying that they will take a piece, and use that to obtain another and another... until Israel finally bites the dust. Why they didn't in 2000 is a bit of a mystery - either Arafat got too greedy and headstrong, or he feared that he'd be popped shortly after returning with such a proposal. I believe that the latter fate would befall any "moderates" that try to succeed Arafat. There are too many people in that camp that don't know how to do anything else, are consumed with hatred and have no compunction about offing one of their own for straying from the path.
What will you be saying when US troops become the targets of Pallie suicide bombers? Should we just take it, as people like you seem to require of the Israelis? Or perhaps we would move into the area from which such people originate and clean out the bomb factories and terrorist masterminds (as people like you have condemned Israel for doing)?
Maybe at some future time, they could merge into one by mutual agreement.
And maybe Elvis is alive, partying with JFK and his alien-impregnated former wife, Jackie O. What have you been snorting lately? Do you seriously believe that there is one chance in a million that people who print textbooks with no State of Israel, who teach their young that it is not only OK, but mandated by Allah, to kill innocent Israeli women, children and babies, and who've never made any bones about their ultimate goal of destroying Israel and murdering all of its Jewish inhabitants will ever be willing to have a joint state? You've just destroyed any credibility that you might have had before this.
Facts? What are 'facts' anyway? Isn't that just an anachronism, held over from the days when students went to school to study and criminals went to jail because they did bad things? You really show how much of a throwback you are to speack of a concept so outmoded as 'facts'. We've proven once and for all that there really are no 'facts', just perceptions. People who speak of 'facts' just don't know what's going on.
And that's a fact.
Shalom.
Arafat probably cannot survive either a real settlement or ultimate victory, i.e. driving the Jews into the sea. The same social system is in place in Afghanistan and it is obvious that the internecine war would be intense now if the US had already pulled out as happened when the Russians were pushed out.
That was never tried. Egypt and Syria immediately invaded and occupied the land that had been set aside for 'a future Arab state.'
Israel didn't displace the Palistinians, Egypt and Syria did. But they displaced them from a desert that nobody wants to live in. Israel, OTOH, has irrigated their land and made it truly beautiful. Therefore it's Israel the Palis want, and a war to get rid of them.
Shalom.
I agree. However, I also think that he's one of those who don't, and never have, wanted any kind of peace with Israel. I don't look at him as being trapped by the societal problems of the Pallies, but as an architect of those problems. He was never a builder, only a destroyer.
That was never tried.
I believe that Aimhigh was alluding to the fact that the Jewish leaders before independence made the offer of a joint state, but were (to understate matters) rebuffed. I think that he's quite aware of the invasion by 5 Arab armies on the day after Israel was declared to be a nation in 1948.
I largely agree. However, I would like him (and anyone else who reads this thread) to know that his views are without a basis in fact or logic. Some things need to be said.
I agree that the US and the world wouldn't support the killing or deportation of all of the Arabs west of the Jordan River who are not Israeli citizens, nor should they. Beyond that, your assertion/accusation is utter nonsense (like the rest of the bilge that you've spouted on this thread).
If the Israelis themselves would be satisfied to live at peace alongside the so-called Palestinians (and they would be - they've dreamed of it since before the State of Israel even came into existence), then who would I be to object? The problem, however, is that the murderous thugs who pose as the leaders of these Arabs are unwilling to do so. They want it all, everything from "the River to the Sea" (i.e. from the Jordan to the Mediterranean).
Some situations cannot be resolved peacefully. For example, nothing in the historical record suggests that there could have been a world in which Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan would have been able to co-exist with free and independent nations like England and the US. When it is an either/or choice, then a society must make the choice to prevail and survive, or it will perish. I hope that such is not Israel's choice, that the Arabs will finally choose to live with them in relative peace, but I fear not. Given the length of time that has passed since this conflict began, given the blind hatred, given the poisoning of the minds of young Arab children by the PLO and their like, it may be that no settlement is possible that would satisfy both sides. IF that is the case, and only if the choice is between Israel and a 22nd Arab nation, would I choose to back some extreme measure like deportation (but never a mass killing).
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